Not sure what the difference between a freestyle board and a street board is? Want to start freestyle, but don't know where to buy a freestyle board? Want to know the pros and cons of a freestyle board? It will all be answered here!!

First, what makes a freestyle board different?

The deck- A freestyle board has completely parallel rails, and a blunt nose or tail. Freestyle decks tend to be quite a bit smaller than street boards, too. Ranging from 7" to 7.5". Here's an extreme of the blunt nose or tail, to give you the right idea:

http://metacreations.atspace.com/shop/meta-flight.html

Trucks- The trucks of a freestyle board are smaller than street decks, in order to come flush with the deck. You can't skate street trucks with a freestyle deck if you want to do any tricks in railstand. Also, many freestyle trucks don't have an inverted kingpin, since freestyle involves no grinds.

Wheels- Wheels are offset. This means that the wheel will come out farther than the actual axle. This increases stability in a railstand, and makes coco-wheelies possible. These are not skateboard wheels, but it shows you the basic shape of an off-set freestyle wheel.

http://www.skaterdirect.com/products/wheels_w_95.jpg

Skids- This is a component that a freestyle board has that a street board does not have. Skids are small protection plates on the nose and tail of the board so boards don't crack from pogos, or get the bad effects of tail-scrape. If you scroll down to the Keith Renna pro model on this page you can see a board with skids. If you scroll all the way down, you can see some skids alone:

http://www.outlookskates.com/OutLookDECKSfreestyle.htm

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.

Will I be able to skate street with a freestyle board? Yes, but a freestyle board will not work quite as good for street as a street board will.

Can I do grinds even though the kingpin isn't inverted? Nope, this will throw your grinds off.

Can I still ollie with skids on my board? Yes, but not quite as high.

Can I use my street trucks/wheels with my freestyle board? Yes, but it will definitely mess with your balance for railstands and the like.

Well then what is the use of a freestyle board?! For freestyle, you dummy!

Where can I get a freestyle board? Check out the following links:

http://www.decomposedsk8.com/
http://www.metacreations.atspace.com/
http://www.outlookskates.com/
http://www.reverse-freestyle.com/
http://www.eastbilt.com/
http://www.smallschool.biz/
http://www.sk8kings.com/

Other freestylers, feel free to add links. I know I've forgotten some.

Hope that helps!!

+Rep for you Daniel, this is a good idea.

Is www.sk8legends.com the same as Reverse? I know Lynn Cooper owns both of them.

~Necro

^Nah, reverse is an actual shop, sk8legends is just like news and stuff, I think.

From your link, you see that guy who did the handstand and is coming back on his board? That's Tommy Harward. I know Tommy Harward personally. I go to his skateboard shop all the time (my Dad lives around that area). Lives in Wake Forest, but has an "ok" skatepark.

Tommy Harward has some of the smoothest 50-50s I've ever seen :P Go get him to teach you how :P Better yet, get him to film trick tips.

~Necro

Now what exactly is a NH 50/50?

http://cloud.prohosting.com/bobackup/Assorted%20Freestyle/No-Handed%2050-50%20--%20Fingerflip%20Out.htm This is a nh 50-50 with a fingerflip out. Fingerflips out are easier.

OOOHHH, I can do those. I thought they were something else. I see Rodney Mullen do those all the time.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.

Will I be able to skate street with a freestyle board? Yes, but a freestyle board will not work quite as good for street as a street board will.

Can I do grinds even though the kingpin isn't inverted? Nope, this will throw your grinds off.

Can I still ollie with skids on my board? Yes, but not quite as high.

Can I use my street trucks/wheels with my freestyle board? Yes, but it will definitely mess with your balance for railstands and the like.

Well then what is the use of a freestyle board?! For freestyle, you dummy!

Where can I get a freestyle board? Check out the following links:

http://www.decomposedsk8.com/
http://www.metacreations.atspace.com/
http://www.outlookskates.com/
http://www.reverse-freestyle.com/
http://www.eastbilt.com/
http://www.smallschool.biz/
http://www.sk8kings.com/

Other freestylers, feel free to add links. I know I've forgotten some.

Hope that helps!!


so is it ok to skate freestyle with a street board? i mean like will it be much more difficult or about the same

oh no i am sorry. i think i missed out necro's answer to that in some other thread. ok so its alright to use a street board.. unless your answer is different from necro's?

"And yes, you can do all the freestyle tricks on a regular board. I'm using a regular board right now, and I can casper, and do rail stuff. It's just easier on a freestyle board because the board is made for what you are doing.

~Necro"

^Yeah, you can freestyle with a street board, but a freestyle board is much better. In fact, Necro converted to freestyle boards. :D

hmm but i am actually not too sure. so i should just try the tricks on a street board first and if i really prefer freestyle den get a freestyle board? or should i just get it anyway since im interested. (i am just afraid i might make a wrong choice cause freestyles boards are more expensive)


er, if you know waht i mean

try freestyle first.

Question: Could I buy a 7.75 street board, outfit it with offset wheels, and have the best of both worlds?

Theoretically, yes. However:
Street boards are fat and heavy. I haven't ridden one for years. Yes, you can get used to it, but would you want to? There's very little logic in using one other than they're the most popular and common form of skateboard. If I ever want to, I can street skate on my freestyle board just fine, thank you, so I'll take the more casual and maneuverable board instead of what is a small boat by comparison.
Skating freestyle on a street board is the equivalent of playing basketball with a flat ball.
Some people love street boards. You might, too. I did, at one point. I used to ride 7.75 constantly and swear by that width. Eventually, I saved up and bought a freestyle board, and never looked back; skating got a lot easier, a lot more instinctive and a lot more fun. Why? Well, as I said in my quote from another topic, they're just more nimble and maneuverable. Street boards are horrible and clunky by comparison. I find the kicktails are too steep, the concaves too harsh, wheelbases too long; they're not really too great for anything other than ollies.

But, at the end of the day, it's up to you. My advice would be to try it; jump in and buy a freestyle board, like I did. You might just like it.

i'm thinking of getting a board from outlook, probably the terry synott. anybody had one of these and knows about the quality of them? i'm assuming they're good since he rides it, but just wanna make sure. also, would the squarish tails mess with tricks like rail2rail? thanks

Don't get an Outlook! They're not good quality wood, and I've heard some pretty terrible stories about the owner.

Get a Meta:Creation's deck (metacreations.atspace.com), or a Decomposed deck ([url]decomposedsk8.com[/url). But I'm riding the Meta:Flight right now and I love it.

~Necro

EDIT: Oh yes, Tommy Harward, Keith Renna, Terry Synott, and I think somebody else have just left Outlook btw. Renna's now on Decomposed, and I don't know what Terry and Tommy are doing.

thanks for the heads up

Iv got a panic deck 7.5 , indys and octagon wheels and it works fine for freestyle for me

i've got a question about offset wheels. if an axle says it would do well for 7.3 board, is it the same with offset wheels? is the offset wheels width a little wider or what? i'm planning on buying all the parts from various websites so this would help :) thanks!

Ok so offset wheels just go on the trucks. Buy trucks that fit your deck and you'll be fine.

~Necro

ok cool, and thanks for the ultra fast reply lol

No problem man, it's why I'm here :D

~Necro

Theoretically, yes. However:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayfair
Street boards are fat and heavy. I haven't ridden one for years. Yes, you can get used to it, but would you want to? There's very little logic in using one other than they're the most popular and common form of skateboard. If I ever want to, I can street skate on my freestyle board just fine, thank you, so I'll take the more casual and maneuverable board instead of what is a small boat by comparison.


Some people love street boards. You might, too. I did, at one point. I used to ride 7.75 constantly and swear by that width. Eventually, I saved up and bought a freestyle board, and never looked back; skating got a lot easier, a lot more instinctive and a lot more fun. Why? Well, as I said in my quote from another topic, they're just more nimble and maneuverable. Street boards are horrible and clunky by comparison. I find the kicktails are too steep, the concaves too harsh, wheelbases too long; they're not really too great for anything other than ollies.

But, at the end of the day, it's up to you. My advice would be to try it; jump in and buy a freestyle board, like I did. You might just like it.


so is there anything you cant do on street with a freestyle board? meaning to skate street with a freestyleboard, is it like normal or does affect abit? i m guessing the skid plates will affect the ollies but without the skids it should be fine right?

OutLook wood is great. Some of you guys just make up strange stuff and spread rumors. And the owner Vince has been supporting freestyle for a long time. How many other companies have run full-page freestyle ads in Thrasher in the past couple of years?

As for the OutLook team, it's just me and Francis Lavallee for freestyle/flatland. Tommy owns a park/skate shop and now rides his own shop line and Keith quit OutLook because he didn't want to feel obligated to film stuff or whatever for a company as he explained it. Decomposed is run by his friend Witter, so everything is a little more casual, I guess.

so is there anything you cant do on street with a freestyle board? meaning to skate street with a freestyleboard, is it like normal or does affect abit? i m guessing the skid plates will affect the ollies but without the skids it should be fine right?

Haha, yeah there's a few things that will be, perhaps possible but WAY harder. Coco's, for example. :)

I think you read it wrong, Daniel. What can be done on street with a freestyle board? Anything that flips, spins or requires quick reactions will be easier with a smaller board.

Ohhhhhhh. Nah, I've kickflipped down stairs, done slides and grinds, etc. with a freestyle board. It takes awhile to get used to, but it can be done.

...then again, why would you want to? ;)

I skate parks pretty often with my freestyle board, and I am pretty good on it. It does make it harder, and a fear of snappign it is bigger, but I think it is more fun because when someone trys your board, they just fall right off while they are pumping.

because variety is the spice of life.

i think even you can agree with that one

i see no problem in using street boards for freestyle i have done since i started and i suspect i forever will, and i feel it doesn't affeect my skating whatso ever,

if any of you more long term freestylers remember Henrik who used to ride for rolling4, he only ever used street decks too and having skated with him a numnber of times i can safely say it doesn't affect freestyle tricks to a great degree. he had the very best half cab nose hooks i have ever seen and a lovely collection of 50-50/pogo based tricks

thanks daniel and mayfair :) i just find most street decks slightly too big and heavy for my liking

^Same here. I prefer the response of a smaller deck with a smaller wheelbase. But as with all deck choices, it's all up to personal preference.

Darren - Gunter rides street shaped decks too doesn't he?

~Necro

Necro, does it matter? That guy is HUGE. His pro model was 8.5" wide if I remember right.

Hey, the link for meta:creations website on the first post in this thread is wrong. There's no 'www' in the beginning. Just thought I'd point that out.

hey, could somebody tell me the pros and cons of double and single kick decks? I know I blasted soemone for nto knowing this earlier, but I really don't know. help?

well, i think that on double kicks, you can't do no-handed pogos as well than on a single, but im not sure if this is true.

^That's absolute BS.

It's all personal preference - double kicks help with some tricks, singles help with others. Most tricks are 'neutral' though - it's all how you like the feel of your deck.

~Necro

And that's why i said i wasnt sure.

That first line wasn't a personal attack at you, don't get me wrong.

Just stating my thoughts on the matter :D

~Necro

The only trick that I know is easier on a single kick is caspers, because the nose wont hit the ground. Ive only ridden a single once and it was cool, but I still prefer my double kick. Like every one has said, its all about personal preferance. Just like everything else do what feels right.

ive only tryed a double kick, i would love to try a single kick though

Does a single kick deck affect kickflips (the real, non ollie kind)?

^No, but lack of concave will take a bit of getting used to.

~Necro

Bob Loftin updated his website with some tips on setting up a freestyle deck. Here is a link

http://www.bobstricktips.com/blog/archives/000269.shtml

Bob Loftin updated his website with some tips on setting up a freestyle deck. Here is a link

http://www.bobstricktips.com/blog/archives/000269.shtml
i was just about to write that

do any companys make concaved single-kick decks?

I heard Eastbuilt did, but I'm not sure about that, so don't quote me. Do some research, I'm sure there's someone out there.

~Necro

the tommy harward outlook deck looks concaved.


it is! awesome!

The Tommy Harward single kicks (East Coast and Eastbilt both sold identical boards as Tommy's Outlook model) were nasty. A friend had one and I used it for a fair while; it was just the craziest ride I've ever been on. It had the strangest little nose and didn't feel too pleasant.

If i have street board will that mess up me trying to learn freestlye tricks? or should i get one?

No, a street board is fine. I learned to freestyle on mine. But if you get into it, I recomend buying a freestyle board. they are much smaller and easier to manuever than street boards and are rather fun to ride :).

Buy meta and tell tony that Trevor/originalgrape sent yo! metacreations.atspace.com! Good boards, low prices!

you know the Keith renna yellow and black set up from out look, does anyone know the measurements on that deck and can someone comferm that the wheels for it ARE off set ?

i like the board on the site the original poster gavee(the metacreations board ,in black)looks like it would be better for pogos than the popsicle shaped boards am i correct?

Yes a blunted board is better for pogos and caspers, that is the purpose of it.

you know the Keith renna yellow and black set up from out look, does anyone know the measurements on that deck and can someone comferm that the wheels for it ARE off set ?

the wheels are offset. I believe it's a 7.3

you know the Keith renna yellow and black set up from out look, does anyone know the measurements on that deck and can someone comferm that the wheels for it ARE off set ?

Hey bro, just a warning, I don't suggest buying that board. I got it last January. I was stoked because it was my first freestyle board, but the thing just fell to pieces so quick. I didn't skate any drops or rails or stairs with it, anad I didn't skate with it in the rain, but the wood got soft, and the skid bolts somehow scraped the wood between them and the end of the tail, and thus fell off. I tried another Outlook, more recently, and it's a little better, but the Renna board was really not very good at all.

Just a head's up.

^^ ahh ok thanks bro, i'll take your advice, its just its so hard to find freestyle completes that ship to england, i dont really have much of a selection, thanks for that though mate, i'll reconsider maybe, anyone else skatted it ?

im interseted in the metcreations deck but the link to thier site dosnt seem to be working ,can some one give me a hand?

ok i found the board i will but (if everything goes acording to plan)now the problem is i dont know much about measurments ,was wondering if you guys could help me get the correct set up ?here are the measuremnts .

Width: 7.3"
Length: 28.5"
Wheelbase: 12.25"
Tail & Nose: 6.13"

thanks -lex

http://metacreations.atspace.com appears to work.

For a 7.3" wide deck, you want to go for tracker fulltracks or tracker racetracks really. They're the best fit.

That sounds like a pretty good size for a freestyle deck, I prefer a littl bigger. But to each his own. The tracker darts will fit that deck really well for it. But I would suggest getting harder bushings.

That sounds like a pretty good size for a freestyle deck, I prefer a littl bigger. But to each his own. The tracker darts will fit that deck really well for it. But I would suggest getting harder bushings.


why do you suggest hard bushings?

Because Kayce doesn't like being able to turn. :)

Most freestylers like hard bushings as it makes the board more stable and predictable, especially in stationary tricks. I prefer a bit of turn - I like being able to actually carve without falling off. I'd say start with medium bushings and see whether you think you'll want harder ones.

talk more later have to go thanks for the help guys

-lex

Yeah, the Meta:Creations deck is really nice, it's what I'm riding now. I have to get another one, and new wheels soon.

For trucks, I highly recommend the Tracker Racetrack RTXs (106mm). They fit really nicely. If you buy them from Sk8kings.com (http://www.sk8kings.com), then you can reduce shipping costs by also buying the Sk8king Crown Jewels (and their coming out with a new model in about two weeks, good stuff right there) from the same place. In addition, you can upgrade the bushings in the Trackers to the 'Freestyle Bushings,' which are really nice.

Buy Meta :D

~Necro

I actually bought the renna complete a few years ago and I thought it was really good. I still have it, but it wore down after a while. no delam or anything like that, it actually lasted pretty long.

"Sk8king Crown Jewels " i dont see this product what is it? these are the trucks i found RTX-106MM
RTX-129MM
RTS-85MM
RTS-106MM
which one of those should i choose,there is also mounting hardware i need to know which size?1.25" ($2 EXTRA)
1.75" ($2 EXTRA)
2.50" ($2 EXTRA
then there is ,grip tape ,bearings and risers.=0) i really apreciate the help guys,i have no one to turn to for advice so i really apreciate what ya'll are doing.

oh man i forgot to add ,i dont know what kind of wheels to buy neither,i think sk8tings has jsut about everything i want except the board.im going to buy the board form metacreations,and the rest from sk8tings.

^Sk8king Crown Jewels are the wheels that Sk8kings offer. I like them a lot, go with them.

As for trucks, I ride the RTX 106mm with the Meta, and no risers. Don't forget to get skidplates (if you want them). Any bearings will work really.

~Necro

^Sk8king Crown Jewels are the wheels that Sk8kings offer. I like them a lot, go with them.

As for trucks, I ride the RTX 106mm with the Meta, and no risers. Don't forget to get skidplates (if you want them). Any bearings will work really.

~Necro

what are risers for any ways?i dont know abotu skid plates becosue from what i learned on this forum ,the previosue poster said they dont let you olli ,are they really that bad?becouse i want to get good at ollies and dont want any obstruction or something that will make them difficult.

Well skid plates hurt your ollie a small bit, but I don't think it's too big of a deal. But what they do is they protect your board from 50-50/pogo damage, which will wear your board out really quickily. So they definitely extend the lifespan of your board.

And risers just make the deck higher off the ground. Some people like it, some people don't.

~Necro

Well skid plates hurt your ollie a small bit, but I don't think it's too big of a deal. But what they do is they protect your board from 50-50/pogo damage, which will wear your board out really quickily. So they definitely extend the lifespan of your board.

And risers just make the deck higher off the ground. Some people like it, some people don't.

~Necro
oh,if thats all risers do i deffinately don't want them ,i like riding low ,like a cadillac .its been a thing of mine for the longest time being ,i even use to ride real small wheels on my skates jsut so i could feel real low to the ground.is 50-50 the same thing as pogo?

^A 50-50 is where you are holding the board with one hand and you are standing on the truck with another. A pogo is a 50-50 where you bounce.

~Necro

damn i cant decide on whether or not to get some skid plates.i dont want to be pumping my boardd like a mad man just to get a desent ollie ,and if i got to pump that hard just for a regular ollie imagine what its like for the other ones.

Thanx for the setup tips,

I highly recomend getting a tail skid. The effect on ollies is minimal. And the life extention is quite great

Yes, I'm with Kayce. I quite like the feeling of popping on them compared to a normal deck, actually.

^Same. Get skids!

~Necro

or, put a skid on one of the kicktails and leave the other one regular.

great ideas cryke ::icon_peac i might get skids then.

i just thought of an idea to help deminish injuries while doing finger flips.how abotu leaving a peace of the board (no grip tape )so your fingers won't get damged?

Do u think im able to learn skating with a freestyle one or i should try a street one first till i learn the basic stuff?

Ye i really love freestyling, but i cant even ollie yet. Do u think that if i want to do freestyle i can just buy one or ill have any problems learning the basic stuff using a freestyle board?

Everything freestyle is easier to learn on a freestyle board :D

Get a Meta!

~Necro

humm... ill be able to learn all the normal stuff on it too?

If so, i was thinking about getting one complete from outlooks, but if u think that metas are good, do they have completes?

No, unfortunately they do not. But it gives you the freedom to get some really nice things to go with your deck. And it's all for less than the average street complete :D

~Necro

Whats their page? can you help me making by freestyle board? deck, wheels, truck etc

Sure thing.

http://metacreations.atspace.com/index2.html

I suggest the Meta:Flight, with Tracker Racetrack RTX trucks (106mm), Sk8king Crown Jewels wheels, and Decomposed skidplates. Alternatively, you could get the skidplates from Sk8kings as well (http://www.sk8kings.com), so you're getting the skids, the wheels, and the trucks from the same place. Take it a step further and get griptape and bearings from them too.

Cheers,
~Necro

Sweet, ill check it out.

What skid plate, griptape you recomend from sk8kings? Should i add bushing upgrade on the truck?

^Adding the bushing upgrade is a good idea.

As for griptape, it doesn't really matter. Same with skidplates, I'd get two tail skids though, because the Meta:Flight is bi-directional.

If you do end up buying a Flight, please tell Meta that Christian recommended you?

~Necro

Ok, ill

Can you explain me what is the bushing upgrade? and whats the decomposed page?

This is what im ordering so far:

Deck - Meta:Flight - 42 dollars

2x Trucks - RACETRACKS RT-X + Bushing Upgrade + Hardware - 53 dollars

Wheel + Bearing - SK8KINGS CROWN JEWELS 55 MM / 98A + MOC-5 - 54 dollars

Griptape - 2,00 dollars

Skids - 6 dollars

Shipping - ?

---

Anything else i should need?

Yeah, an extra truck. You're only buying one there. Get the RTX nor the RTS. Everything else looks fine.

The bushing upgrade gets rid of the stock tracker bushings (which I think are crap) and replaces them with Khiro freestyle bushings, which are good.

The decomposed page is http://www.decomposedsk8.com

~Necro

Ye its the rtx there, i forgot to edit the name. Is there anything missing on the list?

ps.: added the extra truck

Nope, you've got everything. Good luck man, remember to tell them I recommended you!

~Necro

Thanks a lot, it will take some weeks till i order, and sure ill tell them! Thanks a lot :)

No problem at all man *grins*

~Necro

really dont care about decks i got alien and it is sick i can casper, pogo, pogo stand, but i cant rail stand

A pogo stand is called a 50-50,or no handed 50-50(if you have hands or not)

wheel hardness ,whats the opinion on wheel hardness for freestyle?when i used to blade i would love really hard wheels,i would use 101 a duromemeter wheels ,they rode alot faster than softer wheels plus felt real good on smooth flat surfaces ,i often recomended them for street skating .but im not sure if the rules that applied to inline applies to freestyle ,so any tip would be apreciated . thanks lex

Hard: You can slide a bit more on bad landings when rolling, and like you said, they tend to go faster. But they often seem to flatspot more to me, and just generally feel nasty.

Soft: A bit more sluggish on response, but more grip for any fast pivot landings (providing you're actually pivoting and not trying to slide it round). Feels smoother, and lets you skate on less-than-perfect surfaces.

I try and go for about 97a. Not too soft, not too hard. Good all-round durometer.

Hard: You can slide a bit more on bad landings when rolling, and like you said, they tend to go faster. But they often seem to flatspot more to me, and just generally feel nasty.

Soft: A bit more sluggish on response, but more grip for any fast pivot landings (providing you're actually pivoting and not trying to slide it round). Feels smoother, and lets you skate on less-than-perfect surfaces.

I try and go for about 97a. Not too soft, not too hard. Good all-round durometer.


this"(providing you're actually pivoting and not trying to slide it round"sounds liek a tip but i dont really understand it,can you explain?

Basically, some people lazily slide round tricks that are supposed to be done to pivot. Example - a clean gazelle should be caught on two wheels for the last part of the rotation. However, some people use hard wheels so they can set down all 4 wheels and slide it round that last bit - it's a lot easier, but nowhere near as clean (or satisfying). Going for softer wheels not only stops that, but means that when you do land cleanly on two wheels for the pivot, you are less likely to slip out.

still not sure what your talking about:icon_wink all i got is the part thats says i might slip out if my wheels are to hard .i sometimes wonder how im going to learn new tricks without an experienced skater around me i dont know any skaters,and don't really want to hang with any boarder that isn't doing freestlye,due to the reason that if its not free stlye its street,and i dont like street ,sure it looks cool and fun and aw inspiring but basically they are defacing property and that can get you in alot of trouble or can just give you a hard time with other people.im still thinking where i am going to practice once im ready,i know this spot which has been a skater spot for a long time ,but thats the problem its know to be just that" a skater spot" as in street and aggressive inline.cops are always kicking people out of there,im hopeing that if i practice there the cops will go easy once i explain to them that i am not doing what the other skaters do,and for proof ill have the bottom of my deck clean since i won't be grinding at all.

As far as practice space goes, any flat area will do. Empty car parks are a good choice - for example, a quiet corner of a local supermarket's car park.

In regards to security, good luck trying to convince them you're not just a regular ole' street skater if it's a known spot. Plus, once you're there, street skaters will only look at you and say "well, if he can skate here, why can't we?" Best bet is to go someplace fresh - with no real obstacles, if possible, to keep street skating kids from making trouble for you - where you can skate without getting in anyone's way and you can start a good relationship with the security.

As far as practice space goes, any flat area will do. Empty car parks are a good choice - for example, a quiet corner of a local supermarket's car park.

In regards to security, good luck trying to convince them you're not just a regular ole' street skater if it's a known spot. Plus, once you're there, street skaters will only look at you and say "well, if he can skate here, why can't we?" Best bet is to go someplace fresh - with no real obstacles, if possible, to keep street skating kids from making trouble for you - where you can skate without getting in anyone's way and you can start a good relationship with the security.


your rite about this "well, if he can skate here, why can't we?"i feel they should know better though.the only reason ive though about that one spot is becouse it has some shade,and you know the sun can be killer,and im not trying to come down with any skin cancer or anything ,know what i mean?i have another spot but im not sure if its still availiable ,its an old tennisball court .gona have to check it out.parking lot sounds cool but the only thing is ,if your board slips from under you it could hit a car or a pedestrian or worse it could roll real far away and then you'd have to walk and go get it haha little joke there :icon_peac no but for real i wouldn't want to have to walk all the time to go and get my board that would be waiting for me at a distance.

I agree with Mayfair that parking lots(as they are called here in the US) are a great place to practice if you can find one that is smooth and not busy. If you skate late at night, as I do, its really easy to find a lot of a place that is closed. Other good places are old basketball our tennis courts that dont get used. I know in a lot of parks around my place there are no rims on the backboards which makes for great skating.

onlyl problem is the sun,huh?

Cracks, hills, cars, rocks, and craps games are all worth watching out for too.

Nope, you've got everything. Good luck man, remember to tell them I recommended you!

~Necro

Hey dude, i got their reply and they said they are not going to make any fights in near future.... =/
Do u got any other deck you recommend me?

Basically, some people lazily slide round tricks that are supposed to be done to pivot. Example - a clean gazelle should be caught on two wheels for the last part of the rotation. However, some people use hard wheels so they can set down all 4 wheels and slide it round that last bit - it's a lot easier, but nowhere near as clean (or satisfying). Going for softer wheels not only stops that, but means that when you do land cleanly on two wheels for the pivot, you are less likely to slip out.


mayfair can you direct me somewhere where ic an get a better understanding of pivoting ,it sounds like it would be something usefull in boarding.let me try and see if i can make sense of this,i think the pivot is when you land on your board,your trucks ,do just that they pivot,to acomidate to your body,and some people use hard wheels so the board slips rite under them with out any effort.am i on the rite track?

A pivot is a quick 180 spin on two wheels. Simple as. Lots of tricks can be landed to a pivot, but if your wheels are too hard, you might not have enough grip and you could slide out.

Hey dude, i got their reply and they said they are not going to make any fights in near future.... =/
Do u got any other deck you recommend me?

That's a great shame man :( I really like the Flight.

Anyway, check out Decomposed decks.

~Necro

Ill check, is there any special deck you recoomend there? one closest to flight

The Freakstyle 4 is a pretty nice deck. They've only got one left though, so if you like the look of it, RUN to go get it :D The Tim Morris deck is also nice, but it's a bit wider.

Actually, now that I think about it, the Freakstyle 3 is really close to the Flight too. Your call. I think the F3 is actually closer than the F4.

~Necro

kk, ill check them tomorrow, thanks again!

ive just emailed Decompossed to see if they ship to england, im hoping to get the "sk8 king crown jewels" and the "Gring King Minis", just waiting for a reply now =)

he ships to england all the time. I got my crown jewels from him too.

Sweet, im gonna go buy myself a Freestyle BOARD!!

he ships to england all the time. I got my crown jewels from him too.

nice! i was gonna get them but they have now sold out, so im thinking about going with those renna wheels, He said they were extremly off set so im hoping they will be good for coco wheelies and rail whips and that.


and im probly gonna go with the grind king minis, anyone got any reviews on these ?

I haven't tried them, but i hear the low kingpin is nice for pogo and 50/50 stuff. I actually have the uptrucks, which are nice if you don't mind tight trucks.

ok, a quick important question, the payment is paypal, and the price comes to $90, i live in england were its £s , how do i go about paying this, workign it out, ?

I'm pretty sure you can select the currency when you pay him, so it really won't be a big deal. just change it to dollars and you're good to go.

^^ ahh nice one,thanks, i will be ordering with in the next few days then =)

i have a paypal acount but never used it but im guessing it cant be that hard, i'll get my dad to help..

thanks for your posts, by the way =)

no problem

hey this is rather urgent so if anybody got a quick answer it would be great :)

i am looking at the wheels from decomposed.

out of the renna, moska and OJII, which one would go well with the meta flight 7.3 deck? Im considering more of the OJII due to its size but anybody used it yet? will i need washers if i get that?

also i heard the tracker darts (which is also known as tracker 106 right?) is not as good as the tracker rtx/s right? but the one decomposed is selling is the tracker darts only right?

sorry to ask so many qns. quite confused over here ;|

RTX are infinitely better than the Fulltracks/Darts/106's.

The OJII's or the Moskas would work perfectly well. Go for Moskas if you like slightly harder wheels; they'll also last you longer.

Almost every freestyler needs washers at some point. Get a relatively large amount; you're bound to lose some at some point, and they're always handy to have.

Hope that helps!

so tracker 106 + OJII's = flush with 7.25?

yeah, that should work out fine.

ok, so OJII's and what trucks are flush with 7.0?

Probably the tracker Midtracks. I didn't think anyone went that small anymore!

the indy 101's from decomposedsk8.com should also work out. that is quite tiny though.

I wouldn't suggest 101's for the simple reason that if they break, you're screwed. No more stock. Midtracks are still in production, though, and with the uber-wide OJ's, they might stretch out to 7"wide or so.

get tracker 106's for a 7.3 board.

which one of these would be better
1. Keith Renna PRO Flatland OutLook deck .
2. Burley Renna PRO Flatland Wheels, 54mm w/core.
3. Tracker silver plosihed 106mm Dart trucks.
4. Burley premium ABEC-7 Bearings.
5. Iron Horse grip tape.
6. Burley premium 7/8" allen head hardware w/wrench.

http://sk8kings.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=SK8KINGS031&Category_Code=FR

those are the two that ive been looking at so far. so out of those two which would be better. are would i be better off to just wait until theres more meta flight decks and get one of those and build a complete?

Not the Richy Carrasco Model - it's not really the best for freestyle. In all honesty - I'd recommend the Gary Holl Pro Model from Sk8kings.

~Necro

Or wait for a Meta, or course ;)

I bought the Outlook Terry Synnott complete about a year ago, and I just now starting replacing parts, so it's pretty good.

I am a big fan of Small School and Decomposed myself. I have not ridden any Sk8 kings decks, so I wouldn't know about them.

Primo decks are nice. it's what i'm using at the moment.

I'm getting one for Christmas. YAY!

Not the Richy Carrasco Model - it's not really the best for freestyle. In all honesty - I'd recommend the Gary Holl Pro Model from Sk8kings.

~Necro

There you are, plugging your freinds again Chris. A carrasco is like 7.75, and the Holl is a 7.5. Almost no difference. They're both basically street decks with mellow tails and concave.

.25 of an inch isn't much difference? What are you on about? Seriously, you can feel that when you're riding it.

Damn, almost missed the penile references...

Also, the carrasco is like an inch shorter or two.

But it doesn't have parallel rails, and it's 7.75. That compared to 7.5 is all the difference in the freestyle world.

~Necro

I'm currently skating a 7.8 for freestyle.

will that make a major difference when i get my 7.3 deck?

^Umm...the board will flip much faster on the new deck. You'll easily get used to it though.

~Necro

You'll also be tripping over it for a while as you're used to more foot room, but as Christian says it won't take long to adapt.

If I can skate a double kick (which I am doing at the moment) anyone can adapt to anything!

^That comment made me laugh my ass off.

But he's right - it's pretty hard to adapt from a single to a double kick and the other way around. Although I really like riding my friend's single kick from time to time. My how the world works...

~Necro

Also, abotu the Holl vs. Carrasco thing (IT WILL NOT DIE) I jsut remembered that G Holl rode the Carrasco model all of those years before he got his pro model. So even if the Holl is better, the Carrasco is suitable for freestyle.

There. I win!

Gary has specifically told me that riding the Carassco for freestyle is a BAD idea. So there :P

~Necro

I have a x-games board i bought for around 40 bucks at a store in Dallas Texas.
My setup is as follows:
7-ply thick X-games deck
X-games wheel
Abec 7 berrings
And some sort of heavy dutey trucks i got from my freind canyon that i traded for a bunch of yugioh cards. There silver with dark yellow in the center.

2 questions:
1. What is my board best for?
2. Can anybody figure out what brand my trucks are

Ok, your deck is not a freestyle deck.

If you didnt buy it at a skate shop, it probably isn't a "real" setup.

The wheels will do.

The bearings (from what I've seen) are not good at all.

The trucks are excellent.

This board is not a freestyle deck, but it will work for learning it. Heck, some prominent freestylers still ride street decks like yours!

I really like those Meta Creations decks but why are they so cheap?

the single kicks? As far as I know, they haven't seen too much interest in their singles, so they're selling them cheap to fund the next batch of double kicks.

i think i might get one just because they are nice as far as single kicks go, those double kick ones are so phat though, i was hoping that when they made some more that they were gonna be $24 lol

^Hahaha, no they won't be 24 USD. But I recommend that you check out the single kick, it's a really solid deck.

~Necro

yea i really like it its a nice simple board and its not too pricey

will tracker 106's work with crown jewles OR OJII wheels and a 7.5 deck?

I'm not sure about the OJs, but Tracker 106mm trucks work well for my 7.3" Meta:Flight.

~Necro

Please walk me through the process of offsetting wheels with washers.

You put washers behind the wheel, so it sits higher on the axle. Works with offset wheels. Just make sure you don't put too many washers behind the wheel.

~Necro

just quick note, the renna wheels from Decomposed are extremely good. Im skating them with the GK mini trucks and 7.5 deck. once my deck gets to 7.3 it will be perfict.

so, anyone thinking about the rennas, they feel and ride really well, and feel nice and offset, not to big, not to small. =)

The Renna's are best for a 'transition' wheel. They're similar to 'street' wheels in terms of size and duro, so would do well as a first set of offset wheels. If you like them, they're good to stick with, if you want something a little more offset then it'll be easier to adapt to a larger more offset wheel than straight from 'street' wheels.

Also, I know it's a bit late... BUT
But I recommend that you check out the single kick, it's a really solid deck.

In the way that it's secretly 12 ply? :)

Im buying the OutLook Flatland Complete (Terry Synnott Pro Model), Is this a good freestyle deck? http://www.outlookskates.com/OutLookDECKSfreestyle.htm ?? And has anyone had experience buying from outlook skates?

and also Necro, When will the Meta:flight deck be back in stock?>

This is my current level of freestyle skating http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dXAGh_vyDk Will a freestyle deck help me improve faster?

I haven't ridden the new Synnott deck yet, but his last one was quite nice. I am pretty sure its the same shape. And a freestyle shape will help you a lot with you caspers and 50-50s, as well as footwork. Also if you didn't have offset wheels those will help your rail tricks. What was the MNGOS?

the synnott shape is great, for a great skater. But i've never had experience with outlook, i got my deck from an indirect source.

freestyle decks can help alot.

I haven't ridden the new Synnott deck yet, but his last one was quite nice. I am pretty sure its the same shape. And a freestyle shape will help you a lot with you caspers and 50-50s, as well as footwork. Also if you didn't have offset wheels those will help your rail tricks.

Offset wheels :P, i wish i had some... I went to 3 different skate shops yesterday asking if they could order me in a freestyle complete or offset wheels and none of them had any idea what i was talking about.

Not a chance of finding one in a shop. Have to order online.
http://smallschool.biz
http://decomposedsk8.com
http://www.sk8kings.com/
http://www.outlookskates.com/
http://www.metafreestyle.com/
http://www.johnleathers.com/
http://www.reverse-freestyle.com/

Not a chance of finding one in a shop. Have to order online.
http://smallschool.biz
http://decomposedsk8.com
http://www.sk8kings.com/
http://www.outlookskates.com/
http://www.metafreestyle.com/


Yerp ive had a look at all them. Couldnt find to many completes but. Wasnt a big fan of the deck graphics on skatekings.. and couldnt find info on international shipping

I dont think anfreestyle companies work with major distributors, so it is harder for them to get trucks, bearings, and parts. So they dont make enough money off of making completes.

I dont think anfreestyle companies work with major distributors, so it is harder for them to get trucks, bearings, and parts. So they dont make enough money off of making completes.

Yere thats true, But is the Terry Synnott Pro Model complete a decent freestyle board to go with?

Like I said, I havent ridden his new deck but I think its the same shape, and the old deck was very nice. Tracker trucks are very good for freestyle, and the burleys are quite nice too. Make sure you get it with skids.

why would graphics matter? I'm skating the sk8kings primo complete, and i think it's perfect for skating. round yet blunt nose for railflips, and a square tail for 50-50 tricks.

has anyone skated the eastbuilt "new-era freestyle" deck? they're back instock (FINALLY), and I'm thinking of picking one up.

I said I havent ridden the new one, because I am not 100% they are the same shape.

Nice guide.

why would graphics matter? I'm skating the sk8kings primo complete, and i think it's perfect for skating. round yet blunt nose for railflips, and a square tail for 50-50 tricks.

has anyone skated the eastbuilt "new-era freestyle" deck? they're back instock (FINALLY), and I'm thinking of picking one up.

i haven't but awhile back when they were in stock i was gonna get one but i found out they didnt ship to the UK. they are a nice price, i would liked to have tryed it.

It is a little short for my liking, and the nose is especially small.

Alright, i'm looking into starting freestyle.
I want to get a good board (not all this "whats good for a beginner?" crap)
I want somthing that's going to last and is good for anyone rather it would be me or Rodney Mullen.
Anyway, i'm really looking into getting a meta deck but the meta flight (which is the one I want) is out of stock and it's all in pounds.
Is there a place that sells meta decks in USD and has the meta flight in stock?

And what would be good with that? aka, trucks wheels bearings.

- Thanks

^If you're interested in the Meta:Flight, they do indeed ship them out from the US. However, they're currently out of stock, but something tells me (call it a premonition) they'll be coming back into stock fairly soon.

So you can either wait a bit, or you can try and find another deck (Jeremy from Small School) can cut you a deck that's the exact same shape.

As for trucks and wheels, I recommend Tracker 106mm RTX trucks, and Sk8king Crown Jewel wheels. Bearings don't matter too much. Small School skids or Decomposed skids are a must in my opinion as well.

~Necro

I agree with Necro on the small school deck, great wood, any shape you want, great service. Since you are getting the small school deck, you might as well get skids from him too. I only ride a tail skid, but you can order a nose and tail, then just take off the nose skid if you dont like it. The truck brand does not matter, as long as they are flush with the rail. I really like OJ wheels, but have heard lots of good things about the crown jewels.


In other news Decomposed has a bunch of new wood out. Every one should check it out. http://decomposedsk8.com/_wsn/page2.html

Alright, this is what i'm going to get.

Deck:
http://www.smallschool.biz/small_school_cooperation_decks_gallery.html
The top one (artist model lll) with the small school skids.

Trucks: Tracker 106mm RTX

Wheels: Sk8king Crown Jewel wheels

But before I order.
Would Bones Reds bearings work for a freestyle setup?

And if I get the deck that's 7 1/8 wide with the 106mm wide trucks and 37mm wide wheels (55mm) would the rail be flat?

bearings don't matter much

and yes, it would be flat, but the wheels would wear to the axles faster than if you got GK mini's, Blind, or World industry trucks from Decomposedsk8

Very Good Tut, explained a lot.

The deck is 7 1/8" wide. Tracker 106 are 6 7/8" wide. You will need a few washers, but thats pretty standard for a freestyle set up. You could also get the Blind mini(wich are based on a design of Per Wellinder), the Grind King mini, or World Industries mini trucks.

I ordered the Terry synnot complete about 3 weeks ago for my first freestyle board and they aren't shipping it or replying to my emails. They also don't have a phone number for me to call. Is the richy carrassco complete any good or can someone help me set up a complete on decomposed so the rails will be flush? I was thinking of the Skeletal Kangaroo deck.Thanks

the carrassco is way too wide for freestyle.

the skeletal kangaroo would be good. just get Tracker Fulltracks and whatever wheels you want. oh, and skids. skids are important...

well, the Skeletal deck is 7.25 wide, so if you go to the trucks page on Decomposed then the first 3 trucks would work fine, just a note, if you get the grind kings you might want to buy new bushings with them because the bushings that come with it arnt to good.

Im thinking of getting the Keith Renna Purgatory deck, i noticed it was bi-directional and 7.5 wide, witch i like because i skate abit of "Street" now and then so 7.5 - 29.25 sounds good to me, thats the sorta messerments im used to if im skating Stairs or just using it on the Flat or whatever. Has anyone ever skated this deck before ?

If you go to the second page of this forum theres a topic called gnarly setup.It doesnt really say anything about it it's just a picture. I would post the link but i cant because i have to have more than 15 posts.

The decomposed skeletal cangru is great, I have it.

easier to make spins I guess!

ill have the new terry synnot complete tomorrow or thursday

Ok, question. Has anyone (Callum Bowran cough cough) ridden the Small School wheels? Do they flatspot? I do a lot of slides...how about coco/rail? Do they wear out?

Ok, questions about OJ IIs. I obviously wouldnt slide much on them, just the sort of back wheel 180 slides rocco was so fond of. Would they at least work for that? And how about cocos, etc. Wear and tear reports would be nice.

Hey Christian, do you know if Meta is going to be making anymore Flight decks?
I've been tring to email them to see if they are going to be getting anymore but I havn't gotten a reply.
Just wondering if you knew or not...

Is ONLY christian allowed to answer?


I'm pretty sure they will be... That's what I've heard, at least.

Ok, question. Has anyone (Callum Bowran cough cough) ridden the Small School wheels? Do they flatspot? I do a lot of slides...how about coco/rail? Do they wear out?

Ok, questions about OJ IIs. I obviously wouldnt slide much on them, just the sort of back wheel 180 slides rocco was so fond of. Would they at least work for that? And how about cocos, etc. Wear and tear reports would be nice.

OJs slide pretty easily on smooth surfaces. really grippy on other surfaces. Not too good for cocos, though. Too soft and big.

Is ONLY christian allowed to answer?


I'm pretty sure they will be... That's what I've heard, at least.

Lol, no... It's just he's on their team and I thought he would probably be the one to ask.

Hahahah. From what I've heard, there will be more coming in.

~Necro

i just got my gary holl today! WOOOO!

Another question.
What does everyone prefer on here. Single kick or double kick?
I know it's personal preference but what are the pros and cons of each?

I prefer a double kick. I find them more functional...

ive only ever skated a double kick, though my current deck may as well be single kick for the nose is extremily flat now.

In regards to the Meta:flight question , Tony Gale emailed this to me in early march

"Hey Max - or Infernomax, whichever you prefer... ;-)

I just spoke with Mike about it. It's looking like we'll start talks with the woodshop in the coming week or two, and see how it goes. I'm afraid I can't give you an exact date, but I will say this: There won't be a meta:flight. The next deck will have the same shape - don't worry - but a much improved graphic. Something a little bit special.

Tony

www.metafreestyle.com
www.seismicskate.com "

Just a bit of info, doesnt look like there will be more Meta:flights going by what the email said.

Ahh ok... Thanks for the heads up. I'll probably end up getting the kangaroo deck from Decomposedsk8 then.
It kinda looks like it has a similar shape/size.

But i'll make sure to get one of the new meta decks when they come out so i'll have it when the other one wears out.
I won't have to worry about it going out of stock then. lol :p

And yeah, i'll probably end up getting the double kick, that's what I was thinking about originaly but I just thought i'd ask you guys. Thanks.

The Keith renna Purgatory deck on Decomposed, has anyone ever skated one here ?

im currently skating a 6'8 wide and a 26' length deck and when im skating ramps and certain other things at the park or down the street or whatever it can give me a few problems, but skating the flat i love it. The keith Renna deck is 7'5 and 29' so it looks like it will give me more of a comfertable feel on ramps and so on and still feel nice on flat. My current deck is lush on the flat but when i go up over jump boxes or whatever its so annoying when i drag my front foot up the board and before i know it its gone up and past the nose (witch isnt even techniqualy there), haha

The new deck will be the Meta:Flight, just with a different graphic. Exact same shape.

~Necro

Wow, guess I should read this thread sometimes.

Ok, question. Has anyone (Callum Bowran cough cough) ridden the Small School wheels? Do they flatspot? I do a lot of slides...how about coco/rail? Do they wear out?

Yes, yes I have. I can't say they don't flatspot, but then again i'd be really suprised if you managed to. Mine havn't shown any signs of coning, let alone flatspots. I've been cocoing and primo sliding like a beast with them, and they're still offset. I mean, obviously I've had to put washers behind the wheels to keep them offset, but they wear really quite slowly.

Dead Sparrow - Connor Burke's skated one, and he says he loves it. A similar shape would be the Reverse Freestyle Lavalle board, which I can get you for £40 if you're interested. Message me if you are.

what is a good freestyle setup

Try reading the thread.

I have a question...double kick or single kick for the deck?

I have a question...double kick or single kick for the deck?

Theres no right answer to that, all depends on what you like doing.

____________

From Decomposed im thinking of getting the KRUX trucks along with the Renna Deck from there im getting, anyone skated these trucks before ?

what should i do if i want to merge freestyle with street so i could do a 50-50 saran wrap then follow by with a nosegrind. and stuff like that? im sorry if u guys already answered a question like this.

Get offset wheels on a street deck? Maybe have a tail skid for 50-50s too.

~Necro

m-80 el toro.

mostly freestyle, flatground tech and curb tech. i was thinking of getting a street deck and everything and just get a nose skid so i can pop with my tail and freestyle with my nose. would that be good?

Get offset wheels if you want to freestyle on your deck...

~Necro

How do you think this will hold up for freestyle?? All my friends say it sucks...
I like it, but is it normal for people to use this kind of board??
http://a600.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/120/l_2d7b3db409dea49dfaa9baa86c54c727.jpg
It's real small....

you need offset wheels, then it will be OK for freestyle.

I have much respect for freestyle skaters, it looks so amazing, if I hadn't already been street skating for a couple of years I would try to get into it.

at the moment i have an element custom set-up. basically all street parts.
these are the tricks that i commonly do:
Handflip
Tailstop handflip
fingerflip
handstand
ollie
fakie ollie
nollie
casper
sal flip caveman
caveman
bomb drop
180 caveman
old school kickflip
old school varial kickflip
i also like ollieing gaps!
do you think i should change my element street set-up to a freestyle set up?:icon_frow
cheers!:)

http://www.youtube.com/jamesjackryan
thats my channel URL! please visit and make comments.:icon_drib

I new set-up wouldn't hurt.
I use to ride freestyle on a 7.75 street set-up. And i learned allot of the tricks you just posted on it.
But it wasn't untill i bought a real small mini board that i started learning rail-flips and bean-flips(Boneless-flips)
But dude, try to stop bragging on other threads, it will help you get allong on this forum.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and those caspers that you have on your youtube channel arent real caspers.
I'm not sure what i'd call them.

i have a question which size freestyle board would be good with a guy with size 11-12 shoes?

I think its all a matter of preference like Kevin Harris is 6 foot something and rides the smallest freestyle deck I've seen and he is probably the smoothest skater. But if you do like wider decks you may want to try Decomposed Renna Purgatory board, its 7.5 by 29.25. I haven't ridden one myself, but I have heard good things about it.

^^ yeah that Renna deck is really nice. Its a great all around board, these days i actully find my self more down the skatepark on the ramps then actully doing flatland on it =)

I think that 7.5 is a good size to figure out if you want it a bit bigger or smaller. Its a good general width.

As for board width...I know its all preference but is an extremely narrow board ( say 7 in., like witter cheng's decomposed model) going to help alot with railflips and any other tricks as opposed to one like the sk8kings Gary Holl model (7.625 in.)????

I ask becuase I bought the sk8kings Carrasco model (7.875 in.) a few weeks ago without knowing that that's really really wide for freestyle, and I might have a little extra cash to buy a new one soon. Plus mine is already getting pressure cracks.

a smaller deck will flip faster, but nothings to say that you cant adapt to that Carrasco deck,

Does the blue harris reissue have the same measurements as the red harris reissue because I know the white reissue has different measurements and a double kick.

Blue, silver and red all have exactly the same dimensions and are made from the same mold. The white isn't technically a re-issue, it just has the Harris graphic.

Hurray for new boards! Now I just need it to stop raining to break it in..

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5907/img0579ty2.jpg

sure is covered in a lot of crappy stickers...

sure is covered in a lot of crappy stickers...
hahahaha!

callum, do you have a photo of it without the stickers? :o

of course he doesn't :)

lmao, i'd give you rep but i've given it all out ;)

I bought it second hand plastered with Globe stickers. I of course don't use Globe shoes, nor feel the need to support them in anyway, so covered over most of it with my sponsor's stickers.

Sev7en, it used to be a Lillis before some heathen covered over the graphic. I'm sure you're familiar with the graphics.

ah, yes, i believe so. hah. thanks. i think they like globe, no? :)

Are those Little Wheel's callum?

Yeah, they are. Deal with J man is that I can have whatever wheels I want from Bernhard, as technically i'm only on the clothing division with the school...wheels are just a bonus.

I really like the shape of the smallschool wheels, don't get me wrong, I just prefer something a little bigger so get Bernhard to make replica Powell Freestyle II's for me.

one skid? is that how most boards are? i'd prefer two so i could not worry about one razor tailed and one night

one skid? is that how most boards are? i'd prefer two so i could not worry about one razor tailed and one night
Its just a preference some people like to have only one skid and have the other end for fingerflips and stuff.

i have a question so if i buy on the internet it will not get lost or anything making me loss money?

wow thats really cool looking

wow thats really cool looking

I have ordered from Decomposed, Small School, Sk8 Kings, Meta:Freestyle, and Reverse. And never had a single problem with any orders.

ok thank you! and uh can i freestyle well (including doing rail) with everything freestyle except trucks cause i still want to grind if the moment calls for it

You should check your posts, and use real words. That way people can understand what you are talking about easily.

my bad i meant that if i skate freestyle with street trucks with it matter that much cause i still want to be able to grind when i need to

I have ordered from Decomposed, Small School, Sk8 Kings, Meta:Freestyle, and Reverse. And never had a single problem with any orders.

i can see you never ordered from outlook
haha
their awful =/
i ordered something on july 4th
and its still not here

i was thinking of getting a meta

wait is that the one with primo d in it?

Meta? No, they dont have a Primo deck. The primo deck is from sk8kings. But you should still get a meta.

meta is out of double kicks though

my bad i meant that if i skate freestyle with street trucks with it matter that much cause i still want to be able to grind when i need to
The only freestyle trucks are the Up trucks that Decomposed distributes. But I would not recomend them. I would recomend Grind King trucks for freestyle.

Why wouldn't you reccomned them? I want to get them because of the thing that doesent dig into your skin on a NH Pogo.

The only freestyle trucks are the Up trucks that Decomposed distributes. But I would not recomend them. I would recomend Grind King trucks for freestyle.

yeah those GKs are pretty good, exsept the bushings though. and the kingpin is really low down too, same as the Krux, witch are actully lower.

you can always just keep your street board
and order a freestyle complete

well i like to do alot of things

i dont want to do a 50-50 go get my other board and do a 50-50 grind

^^ yeah im like that, though with a freestyle deck you can still grind and all that, i do. Infact i find more self more down the park on the ramps and rails then actully doing flatland, all depends on your deck and prefrences though.

but i thought freestyle trucks threw u off a grind?

^^ all depends on the kingpin, any truck can throw you off a grind. Just make sure your kingpin dosent stand out, just like any other truck.