Well I looked and couldnt find a thread like this. Pretty much Im wondering what religion everyone on here is. I ask because Ive noticed MANY atheists like myself.
Please dont turn this into a "Christianity is right this atheism is right that" kind of thread.

I'm a christian.

Not sure atm. I'd love to believe in God, and soem of the things that I've been gifted have to be from something, but I'm not quite sure I believe in the entire Christian faith thing.

I feel like Bertrand Russell...

The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way. Persecution is used in theology, not in arithmetic.
-- Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays, "An Outline of Intellectual Rubbish" (1950), quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.
-- Bertrand Russell (attributed: source unknown)

Dogma demands authority, rather than intelligent thought, as the source of opinion; it requires persecution of heretics and hostility to unbelievers; it asks of its disciples that they should inhibit natural kindness in favor of systematic hatred.
-- Bertrand Russell, quoted from Laird Wilcox, ed., "The Degeneration of Belief"

I mean by intellectual integrity the habit of deciding vexed questions in accordance with the evidence, or of leaving them undecided where the evidence is inconclusive. This virtue, though it is underestimated by almost all adherents of any system of dogma, is to my mind of the very greatest social importance and far more likely to benefit the world than Christianity or any other system of organized beliefs.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Can Religion Cure Our Troubles?" (1954)

Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.
-- Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays, "An Outline of Intellectual Rubbish" (1950), p. 149, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence; and in this respect ministers of religion follow gospel authority more closely than in some others.
-- Bertrand Russell, quoted, in part, from Jonathon Green, The Cassell Dictionary of Cynical Quotations

One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Why I Am Not A Christian," Little Blue Book No. 1372 edited by E Haldeman-Julius.

The essence of the liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment. This is the way opinions are held in science, as opposed to the way in which they are held in theology.
-- Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays, "Philosophy and Politics" (1950), p. 149, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Christian Ethics" from Marriage and Morals (1950), quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief


Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, was false.
-- Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays, "Ideas That Have Harmed Mankind" (1950), p. 149, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

The degree of one's emotion varies inversely with one's knowledge of the facts -- the less you know the hotter you get.
-- Bertrand Russell (attributed: source unknown)

[Regarding] the convention that clergymen are more virtuous than other men. Any average selection of mankind, set apart and told that it excels the rest in virtue, must tend to sink below the average.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Religion and the Churches" (1916), quoted from Annie Laurie Gaylor, Betrayal of Trust: Clergy Abuse of Children (1988)


Heretical views arise when the truth is uncertain, and it is only when the truth is uncertain that censorship is invoked.
-- Bertrand Russell, "The Value Of Free Thought," quoted from Laird Wilcox, ed., "The Degeneration of Belief"

The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed, the passion is the measure of the holder's lack of rational conviction.
-- Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays "On the Value of Skepticism" (1950), quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

William James used to preach "the will to believe". For my part, I should wish to preach "the will to doubt". What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite.
-- Bertrand Russell (attributed: source unknown)

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Is There a God?" commissioned by, but never published in, Illustrated Magazine (1952: repr. The Collected Papers of Bertrand Russell, Volume 11: Last Philosophical Testament, 1943-68, ed. John G Slater and Peter Köllner (London: Routledge, 1997), pp. 543-48, quoted from S T Joshi, Atheism: A Reader

That is the idea -- that we should all be wicked if we did not hold to the Christian religion. It seems to me that the people who have held to it have been for the most part extremely wicked. You find this curious fact, that the more intense has been the religion of any period and the more profound has been the dogmatic belief, the greater has been the cruelty and the worse has been the state of affairs. In the so-called Ages of faith, when men really did believe the Christian religion in all its completeness, there was the Inquisition, with all its tortures; there were millions of unfortunate women burned as witches; and there was every kind of cruelty practiced upon all sorts of people in the name of religion.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Why I Am Not A Christian," Little Blue Book No. 1372 edited by E Haldeman-Julius.

The whole conception of a God is a conception derived from the ancient oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men.... We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Why I Am Not A Christian," Little Blue Book No. 1372 edited by E Haldeman-Julius.

My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race. I cannot, however, deny that it has made some contributions to civilization. It helped in early days to fix the calendar, and it caused Egyptian priests to chronicle eclipses with such care that in time they became able to predict them. These two services I am prepared to acknowledge, but I do not know of any others.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?"

Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cosy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor all their own.
-- Bertrand Russell, What I Believe ‡‡

I was told that the Chinese said they would bury me by the Western Lake and build a shrine to my memory. I have some slight regret that this did not happen, as I might have become a god, which would have been very chic for an atheist.
-- Bertrand Russell, The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell (1967-1969), quoted from Encarta Book of Quotations (1999)

Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand-in-hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things. In this world we can now begin a little to understand things, and a little to master them by the help of science, which has forced its way step by step against the Christian religion, against the churches, and against the opposition of all the old precepts. Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations. Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginary supports, no longer to invent allies in the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a fit place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the churches in all these centuries have made it.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Why I Am Not A Christian," Little Blue Book No. 1372 edited by E Haldeman-Julius

Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind.... This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.
-- Bertrand Russell, "What I Have Lived For," the prologue to his Autobiography, vol. I p. 4

Russell at about aged 8 -- My whole religion is this: do every duty, and expect no reward for it, either here or hereafter.
-- Bertrand Russell, childhood diary, quoted from Against the Faith by Jim Herrick

United with his fellow-men by the strongest of all ties, the tie of a common doom, the free man finds that a new vision is with him always, shedding over every daily task the light of love. The life of Man is a long march through the night, surrounded by invisible foes, tortured by weariness and pain, towards a goal that few can hope to reach, and where none may tarry long. One by one, as they march, our comrades vanish from our sight, seized by the silent orders of omnipotent Death. Very brief is the time in which we can help them, in which their happiness or misery is decided. Be it ours to shed sunshine on their path, to lighten their sorrows by the balm of sympathy, to give them the pure joy of a never-tiring affection, to strengthen failing courage, to instil faith in hours of despair. Let us not weigh in grudging scales their merits and demerits, but let us think only of their need -- of the sorrows, the difficulties, perhaps the blindnesses, that make the misery of their lives; let us remember that they are fellow-sufferers in the same darkness, actors in the same tragedy as ourselves. And so, when their day is over, when their good and their evil have become eternal by the immortality of the past, be it ours to feel that, where they suffered, where they failed, no deed of ours was the cause; but wherever a spark of the divine fire kindled in their hearts, we were ready with encouragement, with sympathy, with brave words in which high courage glowed.
-- Bertrand Russell, "A Free Man's Worship" (originally "The Free Man's Worship," December, 1903)

The forms of zest are innumerable. Sherlock Holmes, it may be remembered, picked up a hat which he happened to find lying in the street. After looking at it for a moment he remarked that its owner had come down in the world as the result of drink and that his wife was no longer so fond of him as she used to be. Life could never be boring to a man to whom casual objects offered such a wealth of interest. Think of the different things that may be noticed in the course of a country walk. One man may be interested in the birds, another in the vegetation, another in the geology, another in the agriculture, and so on. Any one of these things is interesting if it interests you, and, other things being equal, the man who is interested in any one of them is better adapted to the world than the man who is not interested.
-- Bertrand Russell, The Conquest of Happiness, p. 95

Are you never afraid of God's judgment in denying him?
"Most certainly not. I also deny Zeus and Jupiter and Odin and Brahma, but this causes me no qualms. I observe that a very large portion of the human race does not believe in God and suffers no visible punishment in consequence. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence."
-- Bertrand Russell, "What Is an Agnostic?"

What makes a free thinker is not his beliefs, but the way in which he holds them. If he holds them because his elders told him they were true when he was young, or if he holds them because if he did not he would be unhappy, his thought is not free; but if he holds them because, after careful thought, he finds a balance in their favor, then his thought is free, however odd his conclusions may seem.
-- Bertrand Russell, "The Value of Free Thought"

Russell, age 50-something -- There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dares not face this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.
-- Bertrand Russell, Human Society in Ethics and Politics (1954), quoted from James A Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

It is no credit to the orthodox that they do not now believe all the absurdities that were believed 150 years ago. The gradual emasculation of the Christian doctrine has been effected in spite of the most vigorous resistance, and solely as the result of the onslaughts of freethinkers.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?"

There is no excuse for deceiving children. And when, as must happen in conventional families, they find that their parents have lied, they lose confidence in them and feel justified in lying to them.
-- Bertrand Russell, Our Sexual Ethics (1936)

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd; indeed, in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Christian Ethics" from Marriage and Morals (1950), quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing.
-- Bertrand Russell (attributed: source unknown)

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russell (attributed: source unknown)


Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do.
-- Bertrand Russell (attributed: source unknown)

Of course not. After all, I may be wrong.
-- Bertrand Russell (attributed), having been asked whether he would be prepared to die for his beliefs, quoted from Encarta® Book of Quotations (1999)


This, however, is a passing nightmare; in time the earth will become again incapable of supporting life, and peace will return.
-- Bertrand Russell (attributed: source unknown)

i am a proud Christian:icon_bigg

i am a proud pastafarian :icon_bigg
(atheist)

Atheist.

Pastafarian.

Im a christian/catholic, and im proud because I know nothing about any other religions

Pastafarianism Is The One True Way!!!!!!!

atheist

For everyone who says pastafarianism i hope you are voting atheist because the pastafarianism religion was based on a scientist showing how stupid religion is.

Atheist.
But I love spaghetti.

For everyone who says pastafarianism i hope you are voting atheist because the pastafarianism religion was based on a scientist showing how stupid religion is.

how can you say that??? the flying spaghetti monster is real and we all have so much to learn from the noodly master!

Im a christian/catholic, and im proud because I know nothing about any other religions

honestly, that isn't really something to be proud of.

I guess I'm agnostic, because I can't say for sure if there's really a God or not. But I like the idea of worshiping myself like a God (I mean, trying to achieve perfection, even though it's impossible), and that's satanism. But I don't like the satanic rituals, because some of them are just stupid...ok, I'm Kelavist.

how can you say that??? the flying spaghetti monster is real and we all have so much to learn from the noodly master!

Fear not, His noodley appendage must have tricked him into not believing. He who knows all must be trusted, I say.

Atheism isn't a religion but whatever, I voted Atheist.

For everyone who says pastafarianism i hope you are voting atheist because the pastafarianism religion was based on a scientist showing how stupid religion is.
haha yeah i know.
thats why its funny lol

For everyone who says pastafarianism i hope you are voting atheist because the pastafarianism religion was based on a scientist showing how stupid religion is.

Actually it's based off the truth

For everyone who says pastafarianism i hope you are voting atheist because the pastafarianism religion was based on a scientist showing how stupid religion is.
No, we are all actually THAT stupid. We would've never known that, especially considering we've all pointed that out before.


Oh, and btw, Atheism isn't a religion.
Fear not, His noodley appendage must have tricked him into not believing. He who knows all must be trusted, I say.
HOW DARE YOU BLAME FSM! It was clearly Anti-FSM!

HOW DARE YOU BLAME FSM! It was clearly Anti-FSM!

Ah, but quite the opposite. Is He not the one whom tricks scienctists into believing that the world is older than it really is by using His noodley appendage?

I'm sort of undecided at the moment.

I know atheism isnt a religion. Undecided is also not a religion. I put it there because they are religious choices which fits into the poll.

I’m a Deist/Unitarian . I do believe most of what the Bible says. Interesting enough I have found some scriptures that were taken out of the bible. Maccabee, hmm I think that’s how is spelled. I do believe there is some diven power out there. No matter people believe if it’s religious or not. We are still in the same boat of not knowing the truth to our origin. Differences like this have made man start wars with each other. It’s pretty sad that it’s ongoing in today’s world. I say people should respect most beliefs and challenge it at times, but not to offend. Any belief that deals with immoral deeds like killing, taken down government, rape all that nonsense should be taken out.

Christian Orhtodox.

not catholic, i don't believe in the pope.

Ah, but quite the opposite. Is He not the one whom tricks scienctists into believing that the world is older than it really is by using His noodley appendage?
Um, no. He's not. He wouldn't even have a reason for that.

atheist
skate4christ? what happened?

skate4christ? what happened?

He obviously lost faith. He has opened his eyes and questioned what he has always taken for granted. He has thought for himself, and made a decision based on his beliefs, not what was crammed into his head since birth.

I'm christian. I go to a baptist church.

i pick up the koran every once in awhile, when i went to jamaica the past couple of years ive went to rasta ceremonies, and im trying to understand buddhism more, i try to indulge myself with more religions than one.

I am a Christian. Call me stupid, ignorant, and a bigot. I actually question my beliefs unlike most Christians. I have family members who are Muslim, Orthodox, Catholic, and Atheist. I know there are people with different beliefs. I don't hate homosexuals. I tolerate other religions.

I'm a Buddhist/Pastafarian.

NOT AN ATHEIST for sure.

Aheist/Pastafarian.

Buddhism makes the world better!!^^

I'm Christian but I only go to church a few times a year

Skateboard is my religion :tongue:


Seriously though, I'm atheist.

It kind of sucks being an Atheist though, I'd like to have that warm and fuzzy feeling that there's another life after this one.

Maybe God will actually prove to us he exists one day...that second coming sure is taking a while.

It kind of sucks being an Atheist though, I'd like to have that warm and fuzzy feeling that there's another life after this one.

If you are alive, and you don't believe there's a God, I assume that the existence of a higher being is not a condition for life (according to your logic, which is also mine, if you agree with me). Why can't you believe you'll live again? Even if you won't, it seems much better than staying in hell for all eternity.

There's a 50-50 chance you'll live after you die: either you will, or you won't :D

It kind of sucks being an Atheist though, I'd like to have that warm and fuzzy feeling that there's another life after this one.

Maybe God will actually prove to us he exists one day...that second coming sure is taking a while.
Would you consider yourself extatentialist?

I'm christian

Im taugth in the way f the jehovah witness. My mom tried to force her religon on me but i picked being a jehovah witness because there message is close to me.

Would you consider yourself extatentialist?
Had no idea what that meant, I googled and existentialist came up instead, definition was:

A philosophy that emphasizes the uniqueness and isolation of the individual experience in a hostile or indifferent universe, regards human existence as unexplainable, and stresses freedom of choice and responsibility for the consequences of one's acts.

My answer, I guess, in a way...but I probably wouldn't label myself one...

Had no idea what that meant, I googled and existentialist came up instead, definition was:

A philosophy that emphasizes the uniqueness and isolation of the individual experience in a hostile or indifferent universe, regards human existence as unexplainable, and stresses freedom of choice and responsibility for the consequences of one's acts.

My answer, I guess, in a way...but I probably wouldn't label myself one...hmm that kind of describes me too.
but no one would know what i was talking about if i said that.
so i will continue to describe myself as a pastafarian.

I just don't know anymore...

^agnostic??

proud Christian
i dont understand Atheism
&& its clearly not a religion

proud Christian
i dont understand Atheism
&& its clearly not a religion
whats to understand?

atheism is for people that dont believe in an invisible man living in the sky.
(horrible example of our beliefs) deal with it.

so i am a proud atheist.

but i recently converted to pastafarianism :)

proud Christian
i dont understand Atheism
&& its clearly not a religion

Sure you do. Do you believe in Allah, or Zeus, etc? No, well...you're an Atheist, sort of, it's just with us all those "Gods" are included in the list, including yours.

And you're right, Atheism is most-definitely not a religion

Christian, *tsk, shame*
you didn't capitalize "God"

Christian, *tsk, shame*
you didn't capitalize "God"

psst.. we dont have to capitalize a stupid letter out of respect ;)

It kind of sucks being an Atheist though, I'd like to have that warm and fuzzy feeling that there's another life after this one.

Maybe God will actually prove to us he exists one day...that second coming sure is taking a while.

Maybe a different religion suits you better.
You never know.
I've thought about maybe looking into buddhism..maybe not religously, but philosophically instead.

I am undecided but more of an athiest i guess...
i definetly chose science before religion

I am undecided but more of an athiest i guess...
i definetly chose science before religionhaha more like science before fairy tales ;)

Sure
Check this out haha http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/232/religionkv0.png

I'm a muslim =)

undecided and really to be honest.. dont care what i am.

I wouldn't really call myself a christian but I believe in god and jesus and the bible I am just not one of those judgemental goody goody "I am better than you" christians

im a christian but i dont act as if i am stuck up and i tell people about my religion but i dont say well f u if you dont beleive me you can rot in hell. i mean i just am sorta chill. i know that i beleve wehhat ii do and you beleive what you do.

i have buhdist friends and atheist friends and agnostic friends and a chreistian/ buhdisst friend i mean we are all humans we all do stuff wwe shouldnt we are the same

I'm a Christian. No i'm a PROUD Christian.


i like knowing Jesus is always by your side no matter whats happening =}

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anyone who said they're a pastafarian is lame >.>

anyone who said they're a pastafarian is lame >.>

You won't be saying that when you see His Noodley Appendage. No, you'll be begging for mercy!

It's no less lame than saying Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Atheist. It's a belief. And it's written. So by the logic used by Christians... It must be true!

I'm a satanist as the religon of the satanists catches my attention and its the lifestyle i follow

Y'all Satanistas got matching jackets or something like the Hell's Angels?

^that'd be ****ing sweet!



I'm a pastafarian, may the FSM bless you.

anyone who said they're a pastafarian is lame >.>
Why's that?

I'm a Christian. No i'm a PROUD Christian.


i like knowing Jesus is always by your side no matter whats happening =}

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anyone who said they're a pastafarian is lame >.>
'tis a shame..

May the Flying Spaghetti Monster have mercy on your soul.

im undecided because i dont now i what to belive

Y'all Satanistas got matching jackets or something like the Hell's Angels?

Yeah, we wear white jackets and white stupid triangular hats.

Yeah, we wear white jackets and white stupid triangular hats.

That is the KKK stupid . lol jk

That is the KKK stupid . lol jk

I thought the adjective came before the noun, like in "the stupid KKK".

Ok, enough off-topic.

skateboarding is my religion :cool:

Jesus died for me, and loves me.

there

Im Hindu :)

I am currently an atheist, but that may change. Maybe when I discover a religion that suits me but doesn't assume there is a great, powerful being who poofed everything into existence. That's just too far-fetched for me.

Officially I'm Catholic, but I don't really beleive In God.

I go to catholic school, attend mass (once a year or so...) & My family's Catholic, but I don't beleive a word of it.

That said, the Bible may be full of crap, but it does have some moral values.


Coming from Northern Ireland especially, the whole Catholics Vs Protestants thing's still there.
It's more complex but I won't explain it here.

Christian. But I do not go to church because I have strong convictions against what they've become.

- Seth

I am currently an atheist, but that may change. Maybe when I discover a religion that suits me but doesn't assume there is a great, powerful being who poofed everything into existence. That's just too far-fetched for me.

Satanism and Buddhism.

i am a christ :P

I'm Christian.

im a pastafarian.

actually.......................................... .....................................I AM THE FSM!!!!!!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

^Was Jesus a Christian?

I'm a buddhist n_n

^Was Jesus a Christian?
No ._.

im a pastafarian.

actually.......................................... .....................................I AM THE FSM!!!!!!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA


i'm sorry that's blasphemous.
if it weren't against the 8 i'd really rather you didnt's id persecute you in some way that was petty and amounting to about the threat level of a kitten.(mmm.... tasty)

i am a christ :P

woah i mis read that and thought you siad you wetre christ. that would be akward...

im a pastafarian.

actually.......................................... .....................................I AM THE FSM!!!!!!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA
BLASPHEEMER! [/uncle buck reference]

HOW DARE YOU CLAME TO BE THE FSM! YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT SPAGHETTI, A MONSTER, NOR ARE YOU FLYING!

Christian catholic/orthodox.

"I never really believed in heaven much until they put him in the ground"

I became a Christian when I was 10 after a bad incident happened in my life.
Honestly, I believe I wouldnt have made it without Him.

{rf)I believe in.... *SUPERPHYSICS*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:icon_pelv

I guess I'm undecided.
At the moment I have not clue about the existence of any kind of god, maybe there is one, maybe there is not. This is why I don't believe in the existence of a god, because it would be wrong to believe in something I don't know anything about. But at the other hand I'm not an atheist either because I think that it is not possible to prove that no god exists, because some hypothesis like the existence of an unreachable god living in some weird unreachable universe (for example) cannot be proved wrong (but it's a really weird hypothesis, there is no reason to believe such hypothetical gods exist either).
It's a common mistake to say that not believing in any god is being an atheist, it isn't true because an atheist is someone who believe there is no god.
Something weird is that many believers in a god (for example the Bible's one) seem to be atheists for some other gods like Krishna, Zeus, Indra or Mickey Mouse.

Proud Muslim

Pastafarian. But Satanism is truly tempting.

P.S
Post 666.
If it was gonna be any post it would have to be this one.
Life is good. :)

Pastafarian. But Satanism is truly tempting.

P.S
Post 666.
If it was gonna be any post it would have to be this one.
Life is good. :)

Truely. Unbelievable. :icon_woow

I guess I'm undecided.
At the moment I have not clue about the existence of any kind of god, maybe there is one, maybe there is not. This is why I don't believe in the existence of a god, because it would be wrong to believe in something I don't know anything about. But at the other hand I'm not an atheist either because I think that it is not possible to prove that no god exists, because some hypothesis like the existence of an unreachable god living in some weird unreachable universe (for example) cannot be proved wrong (but it's a really weird hypothesis, there is no reason to believe such hypothetical gods exist either).
It's a common mistake to say that not believing in any god is being an atheist, it isn't true because an atheist is someone who believe there is no god.
Something weird is that many believers in a god (for example the Bible's one) seem to be atheists for some other gods like Krishna, Zeus, Indra or Mickey Mouse.



well belief in god is faith. you don't need proof. i shall dub you "Spagnostic"

Dude your 14 and a satanist? If you dont mind me saying get a better religion man. I mean I dont think God is real. Instead of hating everything why not just think God isnt real? Thatd be better.

Dude your 14 and a satanist? If you dont mind me saying get a better religion man. I mean I dont think God is real. Instead of hating everything why not just think God isnt real? Thatd be better.
satanism isn't hating everything, it's worshipping yourself. there's rules and stuff, like you can't go and kill an entire town and rape everyone.
but i'm only a Pasatafarian, what do i know?

Dude your 14 and a satanist? If you dont mind me saying get a better religion man. I mean I dont think God is real. Instead of hating everything why not just think God isnt real? Thatd be better.

If you dont mind me saying get the satanic bible.

Haha actually I wasnt trying to offend but it seemed he was thinking he was so hxc and everything that he had to be the big bad satanist of the forum. Ive read some satanic stuff and although some of their views may be nice (like wisdom and perfection) I would hate to be labled a satanist. I mean your never looked at as a good person then.

Agnostic.

I'm not sure what to believe at this stage, really.

Haha actually I wasnt trying to offend but it seemed he was thinking he was so hxc and everything that he had to be the big bad satanist of the forum. Ive read some satanic stuff and although some of their views may be nice (like wisdom and perfection) I would hate to be labled a satanist. I mean your never looked at as a good person then.

Well, the general opinion of most people shouldn't be an excuse to hide. You know that not everyone skates and some people hate skaters, yet there are a lot of people who skate..

Anyway, I'm not going to defend him because he can do that by himself, I'm just going to say that you need to know the person you're talking to, to know if they're trying to act tough or something like that. In a while you'll get to know all of us better :)

This is the kinds of question where you gotta take people's reactions into account. For example, I'm a pagan and more specifically a Wizard. And now thank to those Harry Potter movies I'm expected to whip out a wand and make feathers levitate. Or some of the less... pleasant theists expect me to curse them. I know I should have to pay for thier ig'nance but its kinda happens alot, and its not as amusing as people think Satanists are Sith Lords or Devil Worshippers. At least then they tend to steer clear of ya. And what is worse Witchcraft thanks in part to the Charmed Ones and Sabrina is generally accepted but Wizardry not so much. Then again besides Merlin and The Boy Who Lived there aren't any example of Wizardry while Witchcraft is entertaining to watch.

Christian, Piskapailian, or what ever, I don't go to church much, But i do belive in a higher being.

Apparently I'm athiest. Never went to a church service before in my life besides weddings, funerals and baptism (not me).

Apparently I'm athiest. Never went to a church service before in my life besides weddings, funerals and baptism (not me).

Atheist - There is no God.
Agnostic - I can't tell if there's really a God.
Deist - There is a God, but I dislike organized religion.

^I think i'm Agnosdiest then. I beleive there is a higher power of some sort, but I have absolutley no idea what it is.

^I think i'm Agnosdiest then. I beleive there is a higher power of some sort, but I have absolutley no idea what it is.

Maybe Nature? I think we will never fully understand why we exist and the laws of nature (and some other things obviously).

I believe that question isn't relevant to my life, and I don't really see how it's possible to live without a body, so I try to live this life as well as possible.

Agnostic, leaning more towards Ateism.

im a christian and proud of it

I believe in a higher being, more or less, but then at the same time who created him, who created them, you know.. the never ending question.

im a christian and proud of it

Amen bro. ME too

I'm a Catholic

I'm a secular anti-moronist. In other words, I don't believe in any god, but I believe in not being a bull-headed moron, and that we can all come to an understanding through knowledge of religion. I'm just as against atheistic ignorance as I am against religious ignorance.

Atheist.

I'm a secular anti-moronist. In other words, I don't believe in any god, but I believe in not being a bull-headed moron, and that we can all come to an understanding through knowledge of religion. I'm just as against atheistic ignorance as I am against religious ignorance.

Wow...Atheistic ignorance? What exactly is that?

^Basically, the exact opposite of a super-religious person. They are atheistic, but are incredibly closed minded to anything involving anything semi-religious.

im agnostic

Wow...Atheistic ignorance? What exactly is that?
WOW...



shorty's kid hit the nail on the head. Basically everything he said, and also atheists who argue against the Bible and religion, when they don't know as much about them as they think they do. I.E. most of the atheists I know are completely against the Bible, and have developed a hatred for it, when in fact they know next to nothing about it.

Well, clearly as a "secular anti-moronist" you've found more in common with those who are not Christian as opposed to those who are. I take a similar intellectual stance, but I find it more in line with agnosticism. That is, being intellectually honest, I can't say either way if God exists or if God does not exist, for it is impossible to know either way. There is no information provided empirically upon which to arrive at an opinion with certainty.

i'm the guy who believes in God, loves God, but doesn't go to church or temple or anything like that.

personally i think all religions are cults.

"Accept _____ as your lord or BURN IN HELL!!!!"

hahahahaha

and if you don't believe in God than that's fine. i have no problem with it.

all this religion talks reminds me of South Park where everyone dies and goes to hell, then asks what the right religion was and the devils explains

"Mormon was the right religion"

hahahaha

WOW...



shorty's kid hit the nail on the head. Basically everything he said, and also atheists who argue against the Bible and religion, when they don't know as much about them as they think they do. I.E. most of the atheists I know are completely against the Bible, and have developed a hatred for it, when in fact they know next to nothing about it.

I don't understand what you're 'wow'ing' at, you just look like an idiot.

The fact is, it's really hard to be ignorant against something that has absolutely zero evidence whatsoever. If you call that ignorance, then I guess I'm ignorant towards celestial teapots and flying pigs.

also atheists who argue against the Bible and religion, when they don't know as much about them as they think they do

I'd be my money that the average Atheist knows more about Christianity than the average Christian knows about Christianity.

Atheists who depart from religion (especially Christianity) do so after studying the religion.

Even the other day, I was talking to a couple of my religious friends from school. They told me how they go to Church and just follow the customs passed down by their parents. I asked them to name me the 10 commandments, they got to around 6 and stopped.

Ask your religious friends about some basic concepts of Christianity and chances are they wouldn't know ****. And I dont blame them, indoctrination isn't education in the least...

I.E. most of the atheists I know are completely against the Bible, and have developed a hatred for it, when in fact they know next to nothing about it.

That's nice. But then again, who really gives a **** about the Atheists you know or don't know? What makes your assumption of Atheists even relevant at all.

And if you're wondering why a lot of Atheists debate religion, it's because it effects our lives, especially from a political standpoint.

The best part about debating (I must admit) is letting the Thumpers know what they really don't know.

I think I fall into Higher-Class' "secular anti-moronist" category. I don't believe in any specific religion. There are bull headed and narrow-minded people in all facets of life. Between Christians and Atheists, this is true also. Razz, you can't say that Atheists know more about Christianity than Christians do as a general statement because it's simply not true. You've most likely came to this conclusion based off of personal experiences. In my time, I've seen several Atheists who have made several valid points against Christians and 'shown them up' for a lack of better words. But I've also seen several Atheists who just get offended at the first sight of Christianity. They try to attack any form of Christian instruction based off of things that they have heard other Atheists say even though they have not studied Christianity themselves. They have joined the team without learning how to play the game so to speak.

I don't think that there is anything to argue about. My religion is peace. I believe in the power of individuality. I think that every person is in control of their own life. I live my life by accepting my flaws, living my life confidently and growing stronger every day. I achieve my Nirvana by living in Harmony with the people around me. I suppose that is my religion. It is personal and I like it that way.

I don't understand what you're 'wow'ing' at, you just look like an idiot.
I was making fun of your "Wow..." comment to me. How can I take anything you say seriously when it's obvious to me that I annoy you? I don't know why my posts offend you, but it's blatantly obvious that they do, judging by the way you respond to them.

The fact is, it's really hard to be ignorant against something that has absolutely zero evidence whatsoever. If you call that ignorance, then I guess I'm ignorant towards celestial teapots and flying pigs.
Trust me, I am saying from experience that most atheists don't know much about religion. All of the atheists I know get their "facts" from online videos.

I'd be my money that the average Atheist knows more about Christianity than the average Christian knows about Christianity.
Cool. Why don't you run a poll on it? Why do you assume that your experience is more valid than my experience? Are you more atheister than me?

Atheists who depart from religion (especially Christianity) do so after studying the religion.
If by "studying the religion," you mean going to church, then I agree. However, a lot of churches are wrong in their preachings.

Even the other day, I was talking to a couple of my religious friends from school. They told me how they go to Church and just follow the customs passed down by their parents. I asked them to name me the 10 commandments, they got to around 6 and stopped.
Pretty cool. +rep for the good story.

Ask your religious friends about some basic concepts of Christianity and chances are they wouldn't know ****. And I dont blame them, indoctrination isn't education in the least...
Yep... don't see how this is relevant.

That's nice. But then again, who really gives a **** about the Atheists you know or don't know? What makes your assumption of Atheists even relevant at all.
I am going from my own experiences. I truly apologize for not being friends with smarter atheists. I'll try harder next time? Like I said, what makes you think that your experiences are more betterer than mine? You're using the "my atheist **** is bigger than your atheist ****" argument.

And if you're wondering why a lot of Atheists debate religion, it's because it effects our lives, especially from a political standpoint.
Agreed, and I wasn't "wondering why atheists debate religion." I wonder why uneducated atheists debate religion. In fact, I've never heard an atheist bring up an "argument" that I haven't heard a scholarly Christian address.

The best part about debating (I must admit) is letting the Thumpers know what they really don't know.
The Thumpers can learn everything that atheists tell them if they study the Bible at a higher (scholarly) level. So basically you've shown me that arguing with uneducated Christians is fun. More power to you, man. Like JJ17 said, I don't think there is anything further to debate about.


I will add one more thing. Razz, I think we share more of the same views than you realize. Judging from what you've said to me, I can see that your frustration comes from the Christian leaders of this country. I agree with you completely. I agree that Christianity is helping to ruin the world, but my point is that only the UNEDUCATED Christians are ruining the world. Like I said before, and like JJ17 said, I believe that we can all come to peace and understanding through education. If all Christians started really acting like Christians, and if all atheists started respecting Christian views, I believe that we could attain peace.

I believe in a higher being, more or less, but then at the same time who created him, who created them, you know.. the never ending question.

there was always a God, there always is a God, and there always will be a God. nobody has created him, as he IS the creator.

the creator cant be created.

Christian till the earthly death

Religion is good in a way of giving people faith and making them feel better, but to be honest, it does cause wars, and is the main reason of conflict between countries.

I'd like to beleive in god, but science provides evidence against some things said in the bible. And i study physics, and things have been proven.

I think it's funny how most of the serious christians who preach, were infact really bad sinners before. Lol they just want to feel better about themselves. And i think the idea of hell scares some people into being christian, which is dumb.

Greed combined with a failure to communicate leads to war. Leaders who are willing to sacrifice innocents rather than compromise leads to war. Religion is merely used as a means to unify the populace and dehumanize the opposition. "They don't worship as we do, they're going to hell anyway." So, it is more that religion becomes a propaganda tool of politicians. Religion is intellectually disarming.

i just got back from church like 20 minutes ago. i am a proud christain.

But I've also seen several Atheists who just get offended at the first sight of Christianity.

What are the chances that a Christian getting offended by an Atheist as opposed to an Atheist getting offended by a Christian?

I was making fun of your "Wow..." comment to me. How can I take anything you say seriously when it's obvious to me that I annoy you? I don't know why my posts offend you, but it's blatantly obvious that they do, judging by the way you respond to them.

So by responding to your points it shows that I'm annoyed? I've debated with pretty much everyone here, you're nothing special.


Trust me, I am saying from experience that most atheists don't know much about religion. All of the atheists I know get their "facts" from online videos.

LOL!

Most Atheists get their facts from online videos? Was this a joke? Is that your rebuttal?

And regarding your Atheistic friends, I suggest you find new ones (even though all your "experiences" truly happened, why would anyone assume otherwise?).

Why do you assume that your experience is more valid than my experience? Are you more atheister than me?

Yes

I am going from my own experiences. I truly apologize for not being friends with smarter atheists. I'll try harder next time? Like I said, what makes you think that your experiences are more betterer than mine? You're using the "my atheist **** is bigger than your atheist ****" argument.


Because your Atheist friends are incompetent, who get their facts from online videos and throw Bibles at little children.

I wonder why uneducated atheists debate religion.

Why pin that on Atheists? Why do uneducated people debate topics that they don't understand at all?

In fact, I've never heard an atheist bring up an "argument" that I haven't heard a scholarly Christian address.

That's because their answers are incredibly ridiculous and make absolutely zero sense. (ie: How did God get here? He's just there damnit!)


The Thumpers can learn everything that atheists tell them if they study the Bible at a higher (scholarly) level. So basically you've shown me that arguing with uneducated Christians is fun.

Bring me any "educated" Christian and the debate will turn out the same way, every way. The debates always turns out the same way in which the Atheist will have a question the Christian can not even bull**** to answer.

If you don't believe me, then bring me any educated Christian that you know to come and debate.

but my point is that only the UNEDUCATED Christians are ruining the world.

Wrong. Why are they uneducated? Most of them seem to follow the Bible pretty damn well.

If anything, I'd say they're more Christian than most people. Gay-hate is indoctrinated in the Bible...

If all Christians started really acting like Christians, and if all atheists started respecting Christian views, I believe that we could attain peace.


If all Christians acted like Christians, then another crusade would occur.

Read the Bible, it's anything but peaceful...

What are the chances that a Christian getting offended by an Atheist as opposed to an Atheist getting offended by a Christian?
It would depend on the individuals involved. The general open mindedness of the individuals would provide you with the odds that you seek. It's unfair to clump tons of people into one big behavioral category.

If all Christians acted like Christians, then another crusade would occur.

Read the Bible, it's anything but peaceful...
This isn't really my place to speak, because I haven't ever taken the time to read the Bible in its entirety and in depth, but from some of the things I've read and things I've heard, The teachings of Jesus are quite peaceful. "Love they neighbor", "turn the other cheek", "love your enemies". When I think about what a Christian should be, I think of a New Testament Christian who follows the teachings of Christ. To me, the Old Testament (which contains the stories of no-mercy slaughters and the verse about homosexuality) appears to be more of a historical reference about old laws and people, customs and stories. The New Testament and the Teachings of Christ seem to be the guidelines in which one should live his or her life by. That being said, I don't think Jesus Christ would ever condone a crusade.

It would depend on the individuals involved. The general open mindedness of the individuals would provide you with the odds that you seek. It's unfair to clump tons of people into one big behavioral category.

You're right, you shouldn't be clumping any particular group as one. I'm just saying, in general, which group happens to complain the most when it comes to getting offended...I can not recall a recent news story about "Atheists" marching against something because they were offended, it's always the Theists.

The teachings of Jesus are quite peaceful. "Love they neighbor", "turn the other cheek", "love your enemies". When I think about what a Christian should be, I think of a New Testament Christian who follows the teachings of Christ. To me, the Old Testament (which contains the stories of no-mercy slaughters and the verse about homosexuality) appears to be more of a historical reference about old laws and people, customs and stories. The New Testament and the Teachings of Christ seem to be the guidelines in which one should live his or her life by. That being said, I don't think Jesus Christ would ever condone a crusade.

I would disagree here and say that Jesus would condone these things, the reason is guilt by association.

What I do is look at the difference, who was "the inspiration for the Old Testament" and who was "the inspiration for the New Testament" - Conclusion: Same deity.

Meaning Jesus is just an incarnate of Yahweh, and Yahweh is an omniscient and omnipotent deity (all knowing and all powerful). Therefore if Yahweh was all knowing and knows the past, present, and future...he must've known about all these peaceful teachings while he was killing infants and other innocent people.

I mean, if a murderer named Fred changes his name to Albert, does that mean he's no longer a murderer? Does that mean everything he did we shouldn't take into consideration? Fact is, he's a murderer. And even if "Albert" continues to treat everyone with respect and dignity, does that mean he's no longer a murderer?

Not to mention, it's sort of hard to "love thy neighbor" when this "God" continues to throw non-believers in a pit of fire....isn't it?

::sigh:: This is my last time doing this. We've hijacked this thread long enough. Feel free to respond to this, but I'm not breaking down another one of your "replies" again.

So by responding to your points it shows that I'm annoyed? I've debated with pretty much everyone here, you're nothing special.
Don't flatter yourself. You know as well as I do that by starting a post with "Wow..." you are showing me that you're annoyed with my post. Again, I can't take you seriously when you continually show me that you don't know how to participate in mature debate.

LOL!

Most Atheists get their facts from online videos? Was this a joke? Is that your rebuttal?

And regarding your Atheistic friends, I suggest you find new ones (even though all your "experiences" truly happened, why would anyone assume otherwise?).
Um... LOL! Apparently that's the proper way to start out a reply in debate.

I will restate myself once more for you. I am saying from experience that all of the atheists I know get their "facts" from unreliable sources. I wouldn't dare generalize (as you constantly do), and conclude to say that all, or even most atheists get their facts in similar fashions. I am telling you why I'm annoyed with all of the atheists I've come in contact with, and there is absolutely no way to debate that. Just to make it perfectly clear...
Fact: 100% of the atheists I know get their facts from unreliable sources.
Fact: This annoys me.
There is no way to argue this without telling me to "get new friends," ... which is completely irrelevant.

Yes
I admit defeat. Maybe one day my atheist brain will grow to be as big as yours. But for now, just try to humor my simplistic pseudoatheistic ways.

Because your Atheist friends are incompetent, who get their facts from online videos and throw Bibles at little children.
Yes... that's actually exactly my point. Thanks?

Why pin that on Atheists? Why do uneducated people debate topics that they don't understand at all?
Well... we are in the religious forum. I guess I could spam this thread with all of the people and groups of people who annoy me, but I'm trying to keep it relatively on topic here.

That's because their answers are incredibly ridiculous and make absolutely zero sense. (ie: How did God get here? He's just there damnit!)
I'm sorry, but this is just ignorant. I take it you've never met a real scholarly Christian... in other words, a Christian who doesn't waste time with debating with people like you online. I'm talking about the scholars who help to rewrite the Bible to make it more accurate, and the people who write intelligent, insightful, and accurate books explaining phenomena in the Bible.

Bring me any "educated" Christian and the debate will turn out the same way, every way. The debates always turns out the same way in which the Atheist will have a question the Christian can not even bull**** to answer.

If you don't believe me, then bring me any educated Christian that you know to come and debate.
As I just stated, I don't think I'd be able to find a truly educated Christian who'd be willing to log on to skaterscafe.com or AIM and debate this with you. Sorry.

Wrong. Why are they uneducated? Most of them seem to follow the Bible pretty damn well.

If anything, I'd say they're more Christian than most people. Gay-hate is indoctrinated in the Bible...
Heh... you sound like one of the Thumpers that you think so lowly of. I'm not going to turn this into a gay debate, but the Bible (which is meant to be interpreted as a whole, mind you) preaches that you should always be loving, caring, accepting, and forgiving of your neighbors. For example, gay haters are not real Christians, war starters are not real Christians, and liars are not real Christians. My point, again (why do I have to keep repeating myself?), is that is Christians acted like Christians, then there would be peace. You don't have to accept gayness as not being sinful to be a true Christian, you just have to be kind to everyone and be peaceful and forgiving.

If all Christians acted like Christians, then another crusade would occur.

Read the Bible, it's anything but peaceful...
The Bible is meant to be read as a complete work. The Old Testament is full of old-world rules and norms, so obviously a true Christian wouldn't take every word of it literally (unless a true Christian sacrifices animals and expects women to be submissive). The Old Testament mostly serves to show the ancestry of the Hebrew people, and a rough history of Christianity (from a Christian perspective of the Bible, of course). The Bible is open to different interpretations because it was written by people, and not every word of it can be taken as law. Parts of it were written during times of war, famine, and other disasters, so you can't apply every word of it to modern American life. However, the ultimate question a true Christian must ask himself upon interpreting is, "Is this what God/Jesus would want of me?" Jesus preached of kindness and acceptance. You be the judge... would Jesus want another crusade?

As I just stated, I don't think I'd be able to find a truly educated Christian who'd be willing to log on to skaterscafe.com or AIM and debate this with you. Sorry.


Just because I can, I am gonna to beleive you think that every Christian on this forum is not truly educated. Actually that is what you said, You don't think you could find an educated Christian to sign on here. How did you get stuck with all these ignorant Christians?

Oh and a Fact is something you can prove, so prove that every single Atheist you know gets their information from a source that is not reliable.

Anywho, I've studied the Bible and other religious texts some much older, shameless plug, and the problem is not the The Bible, its what people do with it, that is the problem. Blaming the pretty good book is like blaming a gun for killing people. Its not the gun's fault its the shooter. Also blaming anyone who reads the Bible for the crimes of the few is wrong as well.

I've come to realize that most Christians I know are very tolerant, forgiving and all that other good stuff. And I...hate them for the behavior of maybe half a dozen, and I see this behavior repeated in lots of other people.

It is true that most Christians are unaware of why they do things, like celebrating Christmas, I can't tell if the celebration is 6 months late or 6 months early. But Atheists celebrate the holiday too and the same percent also don't know why, except they wanna get free stuff.

-Your favorite Apprentice Wizard.

You're right, you shouldn't be clumping any particular group as one. I'm just saying, in general, which group happens to complain the most when it comes to getting offended...I can not recall a recent news story about "Atheists" marching against something because they were offended, it's always the Theists.



I would disagree here and say that Jesus would condone these things, the reason is guilt by association.

What I do is look at the difference, who was "the inspiration for the Old Testament" and who was "the inspiration for the New Testament" - Conclusion: Same deity.

Meaning Jesus is just an incarnate of Yahweh, and Yahweh is an omniscient and omnipotent deity (all knowing and all powerful). Therefore if Yahweh was all knowing and knows the past, present, and future...he must've known about all these peaceful teachings while he was killing infants and other innocent people.

I mean, if a murderer named Fred changes his name to Albert, does that mean he's no longer a murderer? Does that mean everything he did we shouldn't take into consideration? Fact is, he's a murderer. And even if "Albert" continues to treat everyone with respect and dignity, does that mean he's no longer a murderer?

Not to mention, it's sort of hard to "love thy neighbor" when this "God" continues to throw non-believers in a pit of fire....isn't it?
Razz, I think you're chasing rabbits. The fact is, Jesus never condoned violence in his lifetime. I see what you're saying about how Jesus is God in man's form, but you're still wandering off the road. I was saying if Christians were actually followers of Christ (and Christ alone with no connections to the old testament) there would be no need to worry about another crusade.

::sigh:: This is my last time doing this. We've hijacked this thread long enough. Feel free to respond to this, but I'm not breaking down another one of your "replies" again.

You're breaking my heart

Fact: 100% of the atheists I know get their facts from unreliable sources.
Fact: This annoys me.
There is no way to argue this without telling me to "get new friends," ... which is completely irrelevant.

Fact: This makes you look like an idiot.

What kind of person brings into a debate their own generalization about a group of people. Even if an Atheist were to come on here and post, saying that all of the Christians they've known were thieves I'd tell their them to stop posting as it'd be irrelevant and redundant to the discussion.

I'm talking about the scholars who help to rewrite the Bible to make it more accurate, and the people who write intelligent, insightful, and accurate books explaining phenomena in the Bible.

Wait a second, rewriting the Bible to make it more accurate? I think it was from God! God isn't wrong!

And authors who write about "accurate phenomena's" - Excuse me while I LOL

My point, again (why do I have to keep repeating myself?), is that is Christians acted like Christians, then there would be peace. You don't have to accept gayness as not being sinful to be a true Christian, you just have to be kind to everyone and be peaceful and forgiving.

Well, if you don't accept homosexuality and their choice of marriage, then that wouldn't be very peaceful would it? Sort of funny how that works isn't it?

Jesus preached of kindness and acceptance. You be the judge... would Jesus want another crusade?

He's the incarnate of the creator of Hell, so, well, that wouldn't be so off-base now would it?

Razz, I think you're chasing rabbits. The fact is, Jesus never condoned violence in his lifetime. I see what you're saying about how Jesus is God in man's form, but you're still wandering off the road. I was saying if Christians were actually followers of Christ (and Christ alone with no connections to the old testament) there would be no need to worry about another crusade.

Well JJ17, I guess this is where we differ. If you're asking me to judge Jesus the preacher, the son, and only 1/3 of the trinity then I absolutely agree that he was an excellent preacher. He wanted peace and nothing but peace.

However, you're looking at Jesus as just the preacher and not the full package. If you ignore the father and the holy ghost (the other 2/3rds of the trinity) then you're not being completely fair.

I think Jesus was an excellent preacher, unfortunately according to the popular fairy tale (Bible), he was more than that...

I believe in God and practice Buddhism

I am christian.

i dont know a lot about athiests. is it just beleiving in nothing? i dont really understand what it is

i dont know a lot about athiests. is it just beleiving in nothing? i dont really understand what it is

The vast majority of Atheists aren't nihilists which literally believe in nothing. Nihil is "pronounced 'nil'" means nothing in Latin. Darth Nihilus is a fictional famous nihilist.

Atheist tend to like proof. You have faith, they have have knowledge. For you faith is enough, but for other people they need something more...tangible. You could convert most theists if had proof that The Most High existed. I mean real proof, not someone deciding to stop taking drugs and not taking credit for it.

You are have right, atheists don't "beleive" atheists know. Hydrogen is the lightest element, that is not a belief, itsa fact its first on Periodic Table, has the lowest atomic weight. I can show you hydrogen, you can weight it, use it, manipulate it, fill a ballon with it. Fill zeppelin with it and watch it explode.

The Most High is either not as cooperative...or not as real. You can't prove either, although the funny thing is that lots of Atheists passively accept things without proof all the time, like the idea of 'luck'. A truly random event favors nobody yet they always hope that somehow that next dice roll will end up a 7, or the next card is an Ace. If its all random, who are you asking to give you that lucky draw?

i dont know a lot about athiests. is it just beleiving in nothing? i dont really understand what it is

Think about yourself, do you believe in Allah?

Do you believe in Zeus?
Do you believe in Krishna?
Do you believe in Brahman?

What's that you say? No? Why not?

In regards to those deities, you're an Atheist. Our list just includes the God you happen to believe in, Yahweh.

born and raised catholic although i respect every religion out there.

well i was born as a musilm, and i always will be muslim till i die, i respect my religion and i believe in it alot, i respect all other religions too, i have a friend whos jewish, athiest, and many who are christian.

Think about yourself, do you believe in Allah?

Do you believe in Zeus?
Do you believe in Krishna?
Do you believe in Brahman?

What's that you say? No? Why not?

In regards to those deities, you're an Atheist. Our list just includes the God you happen to believe in, Yahweh.

i do not understand what you said... because if someone else beleives in something else, i dont think they are athiest. they are what they are and im not here to bash them about what they beleive in. I just dont see how some people can beleive in nothing and just live live.
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"""""""""but my point is that only the UNEDUCATED Christians are ruining the world."""""""""" - higher-class (i think)

"""Wrong. Why are they uneducated? Most of them seem to follow the Bible pretty damn well. If anything, I'd say they're more Christian than most people. Gay-hate is indoctrinated in the Bible...""" -razz

ok razz, "Most of them seem to follow the Bible pretty damn well." well im a christian and i know that a lot of christians dont follow the bible very well, including me. we all sin every day because we were born into it. so stop being sarcastic and stuff. dont expect christians to be perfect, no one is, and its really annoying how in almost all your posts you are making it sound like christians claim themselves as better than everyone else. and second of all (im not gay but you are wrong on this fact) "Gay-hate is indoctrinated in the Bible..." chances razz. it says nothing about hating gay people. it says a man is meant for a woman. it does point out that being gay is sinful because its not the way God intended it to be, but also many times in the bible it says 'love your enemies' and ' love eventhe sinner'. so it does not say anything about hating gay people. (i personally dont like them, i am just pointed out that you said something wrong about the Bible.)

^ before I respond to your entire post (I will, it'll be easy), I just wanted to ask you 1 more thing.

First off, the word abomination:

Abomination: "a person who is loathsome or disgusting"

Imagine if someone going to up a black man and saying "black people are an abomination" - Tell me, are they "hating" that black person or not? And if it's not hating, what do you call it?

^ before I respond to your entire post (I will, it'll be easy), I just wanted to ask you 1 more thing.

First off, the word abomination:



Imagine if someone going to up a black man and saying "black people are an abomination" - Tell me, are they "hating" that black person or not? And if it's not hating, what do you call it?


[Lev 20:13; Deut 23:18 mg; Rom 1:27] You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Obviously, you have read this verse. (First off, I am totally against gays. I think its wrong and gross, I am just pointing out something Razz said.) A person who is loathsome or disgusting. Honestly, I think gay people are loathsome and disgusting. I do. BUT, i do not hate them. there is like 1 or 2 gay people in my school and they are weird and stuff, but i dont hate them. i guess that from your perspective it is hard to understand. So to answer your question, no, abomination is not hating if you really think about it. Maybe in that particular man's perspective it means hating, but as you have defined it ( disgusting or loathsome ) it does mean hating. there could be a guy eating a rat's brain, and you could be like GROSS, and yeah thats pretty repulsive. Do you hate that person who at the rats brain? NO. BUT do you think that the act of eating a rats brain is an abomination? YES. its disgusting. what im saying is that abomination does not mean hating. It means disgusting, repulsive, loathsome. So what God is saying is that the act of a man lying with a man is an abomination. it is really disgusting, repulsive, and loathsome. Although the man who has commited the sin, is not an abomination. back to the rat brain. the dude who ate the brain is not an abomination, the ACT or the VERB of eating the rats brain is. so, if a man told a black man, you are an abomination, they would be saying you are gross and loathsome and disgusting. they would not be saying I HATE YOU. by the way you couldve picked a better example it made me feel racist when i responded to this.

I have one problem with pastifarianism.
It's not funny.
It sounds like some dorky scientists attempt at humor.
please, leave comedy to the comedians.

First off, I am totally against gays. I think its wrong and gross, I am just pointing out something Razz said.) A person who is loathsome or disgusting. Honestly, I think gay people are loathsome and disgusting. I do.

How could you call someone nauseating and disgusting and not think you're offending them? How could you say "Hate the sin, love the sinner" if at the same time you're calling them loathsome?

It's just stupid thinking and you know it.

BUT, i do not hate them. there is like 1 or 2 gay people in my school and they are weird and stuff, but i dont hate them.

Just curious, what makes them weird? Do they believe in talking bushes and space-men ascending into the Heavens?

Maybe it's ironic.....

So what God is saying is that the act of a man lying with a man is an abomination. it is really disgusting, repulsive, and loathsome.

Where would the verse that says "two fat and ugly Christians is an abomination" ?

I mean, they're both just as disgusting....why doesn't God mention this?

so, if a man told a black man, you are an abomination, they would be saying you are gross and loathsome and disgusting. they would not be saying I HATE YOU. by the way you couldve picked a better example it made me feel racist when i responded to this.

I'm still trying to contemplate a scenario in which I could tell someone they're loathsome and disgusting and not think I'm insulting them.....

I have one problem with pastifarianism.
It's not funny.
It sounds like some dorky scientists attempt at humor.
please, leave comedy to the comedians.

To each their own

or maybe you just dont get it
Merging doublepost
i do not understand what you said... because if someone else beleives in something else, i dont think they are athiest. they are what they are and im not here to bash them about what they beleive in. I just dont see how some people can beleive in nothing and just live live.

OK, I'll help you understand.

You do not believe in those other God's for a particular reason, Atheists do not either; they just so happen to include your God in that category as well.

And why MUST you believe in nothing? What's wrong with living your life and saying "I don't know" - What's so hard about it? Why must you believe in something that has absolutely nothing to back it up?

The person is not an abomonation, it's the act.

Atheist. :]

I have one problem with pastifarianism.
It's not funny.
It sounds like some dorky scientists attempt at humor.
please, leave comedy to the comedians.
The truth isn't always funny.

;)

And you should research it's actual point, it's quite funny from a non-religious perspective.

[Lev 20:13; Deut 23:18 mg; Rom 1:27] You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Obviously, you have read this verse. (First off, I am totally against gays. I think its wrong and gross, I am just pointing out something Razz said.) A person who is loathsome or disgusting. Honestly, I think gay people are loathsome and disgusting. I do. BUT, i do not hate them. there is like 1 or 2 gay people in my school and they are weird and stuff, but i dont hate them.


okay first off. how can you think something is "loathesome and disgusting" and not hate. or have a strong negative feeling for it?

i go to art school so obviously there are a lot of gay people there but they are some of the the more funny and relaxed people there. and homosexuality is another strike against religion and supports darwinism.

if you don't believe in gay marriage don't marry a gay person

I just told my gay teacher that his lifestyle is loathsome and disgusting. I also told these two fat kids that were kissing in class that each time I saw them together I felt they looked loathsome and disgusting.

Then they all got offended, like, omg, what did I say wrong?:rolleyes:

Christianity but it seems like its more to it than just that

a liberal Christian. Some of the bible is misinterpreted? Or maybe miswritten.

a liberal Christian. Some of the bible is misinterpreted? Or maybe miswritten.

Or maybe just not true?

Question for Our Christian Particaipants:

Does the Bible Condone Crusades, Lynching, etc.

I mean the Ku Klux Klan claims its authority from God.
The Crusades killed people for God.
The inquisiton Killed people for God.

You get the idea.

The truth isn't always funny.

;)

And you should research it's actual point, it's quite funny from a non-religious perspective.

yeah, i've researched it but... nah. It's not that funny sorry.
Unless you're into that monty python type of humor i guess.

like i said, scientist should stick to science because their comedy is atrociously unfunny

Who said scientists developed the theory of FSM?

^The theory?

Don't you mean the fact?

****, my bad, +rep for catching me on that

Question for Our Christian Particaipants:

Does the Bible Condone Crusades, Lynching, etc.

I mean the Ku Klux Klan claims its authority from God.
The Crusades killed people for God.
The inquisiton Killed people for God.

You get the idea.

The KKK, as far as I know, gets their racism from the mark of Cain, when he killed Abel. They will tell you God made him black, and that all blacks are decendant from him. But this is only putting your own ideas into scripture.

The Crusades were a fight over the holy land. Jesus taught to look past the Earth and not care about material things. Add onto it he didn't condone murder anyway.

The Inquisition is a little vague. I can see where you're coming from, but I need a little more specific question?

I'm an atheist.

The Inquisition is a little vague. I can see where you're coming from, but I need a little more specific question?

the inquisition killed heretics for not following the ways of jesus, was this because they (heretics) were going to hell anyways? did the inquisitors feel that slaying infidels got them a ticket into heaven?

i guess i'm just questioning the mass amount of persecution that the christians have done to prove they are the ultimate religion of peace.

the inquisition killed heretics for not following the ways of jesus, was this because they (heretics) were going to hell anyways? did the inquisitors feel that slaying infidels got them a ticket into heaven?

i guess i'm just questioning the mass amount of persecution that the christians have done to prove they are the ultimate religion of peace.

You must know that these 'inquisitors' were Christians, or Catholics, in the middle of a corrupt church.

By the way your words are, it sounds as if you believe every Christian does this?

You must know that these 'inquisitors' were Christians, or Catholics, in the middle of a corrupt church.

By the way your words are, it sounds as if you believe every Christian does this?


no i don't i was just wondering why they thought they could use god for their reasoning here

no i don't i was just wondering why they thought they could use god for their reasoning here

Why does it make a difference if they used God? It's not supported in the Bible, and that's where it matters. People will use many things to justify hatred, whether it be racism, God, sexism, etc. It just so happens that the one your talking about was God.

Why does it make a difference if they used God? It's not supported in the Bible, and that's where it matters. People will use many things to justify hatred, whether it be racism, God, sexism, etc. It just so happens that the one your talking about was God.

It's kind of amusing to see how you talk about "not justifying hate" or "not justifying sexism" when the Bible degrades women, and not to mention throwing non-believers in hell.

Dont know, maybe it's just me...but I'd consider that hatred.

Hmm, I could have sworn this has been answered for you many times.

Instead of looking at something in the Bible and thinking "SEE! HA! I TOLD YOU" when there is something to the contrary in the Bible, think on it and see why what you are talking about is included in the Bible. Please start thinking about what you read and not just putting what you preconceive in there.

You know, it's sort of like a double-edged sword with you guys.

You say one thing like "they're sexist, unlike the Bible" or "they hate, unlike the teachings of the Bible" but you stab yourself when you fail to mention the hatred and sexism in the Bible itself.

I mean, not to mention, there's not even a single female author in the Bible...I'm not claiming that to be sexist but sometimes you just have to wonder why.

And you talk about all the love when your deity sends young Atheists, Muslims, or non-Christian's to hell for the simple crime of not believing in a book that has no evidence?

Where is the love in that?

i dunno really born christain jesus is cool but not when they use his will to do stupid **** usually politicians do that i like many things about buddhism im religous at all and i dont care cuz usually religions are used for fascism and religoins hate each other but im respectful.........well.........sorta........i think its religion is something spiritual and personal.....i only felt close to god once while skating this big *** church with trees and all that but then a nun kicked me out.........ironic right?

You know, it's sort of like a double-edged sword with you guys.

You say one thing like "they're sexist, unlike the Bible" or "they hate, unlike the teachings of the Bible" but you stab yourself when you fail to mention the hatred and sexism in the Bible itself.

I mean, not to mention, there's not even a single female author in the Bible...I'm not claiming that to be sexist but sometimes you just have to wonder why.

And you talk about all the love when your deity sends young Atheists, Muslims, or non-Christian's to hell for the simple crime of not believing in a book that has no evidence?

Where is the love in that?

No female authors, eh? How bout we stop to think about how many females were actually literate at that period in time

You are right though, where is the love in sending humans to hell for the simple crime of being ignorant to the truth. I'm not saying christianity is the truth, maybe it is, but in all likely hood its probably not. I dont think humans are even capable of knowing the truth.

why do u need to know that? well anyways im christain.

No female authors, eh? How bout we stop to think about how many females were actually literate at that period in time

Oh I get it, women were just too dumb to write....

You are right though, where is the love in sending humans to hell for the simple crime of being ignorant to the truth.

lol, I love it how you used "The Bible" and "truth" in conjunction, as if there's any relevance.

Oh I get it, women were just too dumb to write....



lol, I love it how you used "The Bible" and "truth" in conjunction, as if there's any relevance.

How bout you reread my post. I was agreeing with you. The belief that sending people to eternal torment because they don't believe in a man written book, "the bible" is not loving.
And no, its not that women were too dumb to write, just look at the cultures at the time, I'm not saying it was right, it's just how things were. Not many ancient cultures had a high literacty rate.

derrickian, we believe in a sin free life, you go to heaven, then you can be as bad as you want, we just ask for your loyalty in life

EDIT:

And heeeerrrreeeee come the negs!

catholic actually, but really idk what anymore

I believe there was a higher being in the beginning and out of that came the very beginning of the universe. So I believe there was a higher being but not anymore.

Why does it make a difference if they used God? It's not supported in the Bible, and that's where it matters. People will use many things to justify hatred, whether it be racism, God, sexism, etc. It just so happens that the one your talking about was God.

i've never heard of people using racism or sexism to justify their actions. but i have heard of people using god to justify their bigotry. i'm not saying everyone does this, i'm just saying there were major groups who did.

i have no religion. bring me god in my feet to believe in him, bring me jesus and the devil. world is full of lies. and if god really exi wth theres so many pain in this world?

you're ur own god.
you're ur own devil.

i've never heard of people using racism or sexism to justify their actions. but i have heard of people using god to justify their bigotry. i'm not saying everyone does this, i'm just saying there were major groups who did.

I don't want to go into a list, but ones that stands out are the KKK and lynching, and Hitler and the Holocaust.. God is just one of many reasons people will use something, and it's not necessarily the 'God's' fault.

You might watch the movie American History X. Just a side not.

i have no religion. bring me god in my feet to believe in him, bring me jesus and the devil. world is full of lies. and if god really exi wth theres so many pain in this world?

you're ur own god.
you're ur own devil.
Are you seriously from the united states?

How can you be THAT bad at english, when it's your first language?

And anyway, I'm gonna play God's Advocate here. God has nothing to do with the pain in the world, we cause our own pain. God gave us the option of free will, he doesn't control anything we don't ask him to.

[/god's advocate]

i would say im christian. im not like the christians who hate other people because they aren't christians though. what you believe is what you believe and i believe in a almighty God.

pround to be a muslim :)

i am Christian denomination = Baptist

I believe in God but its like now more then ever its been really hard to keep focus on things. I dont like going to church all that much...its just kinda chill I dont know- Ima bit skeptical of the whole idea and I think I really just over analyze it a bit.

I'm a Proud Christian..... I don't belong under any Christian category.... I'm A lover and follower of Jesus and his Book,THE BIBLE :)

I'm a Humanist, and I've gotten to the point where theistic religions are like car wrecks: someone's getting hurt and that sucks, but I can't look away because it's so entertaining inside.

And I hate the term atheist.

Atheism isn't a religion but whatever, I voted Atheist.

Yes it is, it may not have a god, but athiests still give themselves rules and things. Atheism is in a way your god.

Yes it is, it may not have a god, but athiests still give themselves rules and things. Atheism is in a way your god.

How stupid can this guy get?

"Atheists still give themselves rules and things"

What are these rules and "things" ?????????

Yes it is, it may not have a god, but athiests still give themselves rules and things. Atheism is in a way your god.
Are you stupid?

Religion: Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

Now, tell me, what supernatural power/creator of the universe do atheists beleive in?

...

let's define shall we?

Theism : The belief in a higher power or diety.

Atheism : The belief there is no higher power or diety.

You know... the A in athiesm is a prefix, kind of like taking the word natural, and completely switching it's meaning to the opposite by adding the un to make "unnatural."

...

let's define shall we?

Theism : The belief in a higher power or diety.

Atheism : The belief there is no higher power or diety.

You know... the A in athiesm is a prefix, kind of like taking the word natural, and completely switching it's meaning to the opposite by adding the un to make "unnatural."

Like the word "sexual" and "asexual".

Agnostic should be there...it's quite common these days.

I am Mormon/Christian

^ kayla, I'm just curious to know how much you've studied Mormonism...

i'm Christian.

^ kayla, I'm just curious to know how much you've studied Mormonism...

I didn't discover what Mormons were until like a year ago or so(although I heard about it but didn't take time to learn what it was). Seriously I nearly sh*t my pants when I heard MILLIONS believed in it.

I personally belong to the Church of Google, L O L


For thou hadst looked to Google, she blessed ye wit immortal life

im a catholic....

im a catholic....

Guess I'll see you in hell :icon_peac

christian

Agonstic

I am a christian. :)

I am a christian. :)

get out of my country! ;)

I believe in Compassion

I'm a Christian. ;)

I'll go out on a limb here and say Im the only one thats a once then but becoming again Satanist on the site, right? I mean its not as bad as the name suggest its mostly about doing whatever you want to fill your earthly pleasure cause the afterlife isn't certain. Theres no concreate proof that Heaven exists, theres no concreate proof that Hell exists all thats there is words in a book and what you choose to believe and think. But there are a few things in the Satanic Bible that Im sure that no matter your faith you can say its true!

Satanic view on love and hate
Satanism represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates. You can not love everyone; it is ridiculous to think you can. If anything is used to freely it looses its true meaning. Therefore you should strongly and completely those who deserve your love.

Theres other points I could make but I don't want a big post cause it tends to scare off most readers, Im not about to read everythink Noj posted though I bet it was a great post.

I hope everyone here is somewhat open minded. I see a few Pastfarians roam these parts...anyway I am a Googlist.