Man, all these laws I have to deal with;



ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.' (Money, sex, drugs, girlfriend, anything you put before the Lord is your God, even yourself, or skateboarding)

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.' (again, no idolatry)

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.' (Blasphemy, saying his name in vain, they do it all the time in music and movies)

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.' (No working on Sunday, I think everyone can love this one)

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.' (Obey them)

SIX: 'You shall not murder.' (Hating is the same)

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.' (Looking at porn, lusting after a girl in a bikini, or in tight pants, looking at a girls **** or ass, fantasizing)

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.' (Not even that gum pack at 7-11)

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' (No lying)

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.' (No coveting, desiring what is not yours)

It's just too hard to do it all isn't it? How often do we catch ourselves looking at that girl walking down the hall or street? How often do we lie to get out of trouble, or for personal gain, to appease our peers? How often do we look in the mirrors and say "G-D" I look good? How often do we think about money being the only thing that matters? How often do we put ourselves #1 and our skateboarding #1? How often do we see a nice car rollin down the street and say, "I want that", how often do we say the same about a hottie we spot?



Why am I following such a drastic lifestyle??


It would be so much easier for me to be an atheist or agnostic. I wouldn't have to worry about following any rules other than what the government has set up for me. I could whack off to my hearts content, I could sex up many girls, I could get drunk and high like everyone else. I could listen to the wide range of secular music. I could just totally live life to the fullest carnal pleasures just like the satanist bible says to do.

So I say to you all atheists who read this thread:

Tell me how something can come from nothing so that I may believe in the big bang, and evolution!


Being a Christian is hard work, especially when the world is promoting so much sin.

I seem to think that a spiritual omnipotent being requires no creator, but every physical thing requires some sort of creation.


And I say to every deist who reads this:

You are not far off from the truth. There is indeed a God, because how else can we say life was created by nothing? You follow the 10 commandments, but do you follow them with your heart as well?

Or are you like the pharisees who outwardly appear righteous but sin within their hearts with hate, greed, lust, envy?

God is a lot more active in this world than some of you think, and it's really cool. It's flat out awesome. He will bless you if you follow his ways, in this life and the next. I tell no lie here.

If you try to follow the 10 commandments best you can, you are 90% there already. Realize no one not I, you, or any person (excluding Jesus Christ) has never broken a commandment. When you break any one commandment, you need to ask for forgiveness. Jesus died for your sins, so you only need to ask to be forgiven and you will be. You can say a prayer in 10 seconds, and ask Jesus to enter your heart and help you follow the 10 commandants better, all in 20 seconds. Your salvation rests in your hands now. Good luck, you're close.

And of course to any Christians who read this:

James 1:22

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

James 2:14

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

You guys know what to do. The Holy Spirit convicts you so you know what not to do. Stay strong.

And to those who want to know God:



http://www.skaterscafe.com/showthread.php?t=63170

I realize we live in a generation where many people's hearts become hardened and refuse to believe in a God. This is actually a stronghold that satan uses to keep non-believers in the dark. Spiritual warfare is real, and it occurs in your mind. Realize satan has fallen angels and evil spirits on his side. satan's goal is to corrupt God's creation and turn them against him. His ultimate goal is two fold. Keep non-believers in the dark, and keep anyone who accepted Jesus lukewarm, stagnant, and to prevent them from doing what I'm doing - sharing the gospel.

Basically though, to get saved, and to start understanding God and to start seeing him in your life you need to do a few things, I wrote about this in another thread I linked you to above this. I'll say it again in a more condensed form.

You need to pray, and you can do this with just your thoughts. Just have a little faith maaaang, just believe a little, A LITTLE, when you do this. Ask God to help you out, ya know, just say you're sorry for breakin his laws and you want him to forgive you, and just as soon as you say it - it is done. Dude, it's that easy, because he's just waiting for you to do it. He's just waiting for you , the person reading this right now to forsake sin and come to him.

Anyone who falls under this section don't hesitate to pm me, or pick up a bible (I suggest new king james version, or a new international version). NKJV is more accurate in it's translations, and is the choice of many serious bible studiers. NIV is easier to read, and is probably the most popular because of it. Both are cool. You can also go to www.godtube.com/virtualbible if you don't have a bible, that's what I used until I got my NKJV. It's totally acceptable. I choose to read proverbs first, but you can read whatever you want first. Some are written by the disciples of Jesus, and they talk about what happened. Some are stories, some are historical, some are wise sayings (proverbs), man, it's loaded.

This is me when you PM me :icon_woow
This is everyone's in Gods Kingdom when you accept Jesus {rf)
This is satan when he loses another soul in hell :icon_burn

Also, being a Christian does not mean your life will be blessed and blessed and blessed and you will have no hardships. These tests are there to help you grow and learn from. Good luck in your journeys...



And thus this concludes most of my debating in this forum, for I have already answered all questions that came my way. Either you accept the truth before you, or deny it. Oh, you can neg me too, but that doesn't make a difference to me... it just shows me that my words sting the sin within. That actually makes me pretty happy. I'm here to convict people, but not to condemn.

One more thing. To all but the Christians.

It doesn't matter when you get saved.
But you can't go on saying you'll believe in God once you're 60 years old and you had your fun, because that's not true repentance. If you were sincere with repentance you would say your entire life you wasted it when you could be saving souls from eternal damnation, because really the Holy Spirit should be telling you what to do, just as it guides me even as I write here. Yes, that is the secret to my debating, I am aided with the Holy Spirit. For alone I cannot debate worth anything, nor would I have the patience to write all that I have. I have specifically asked to be used as a weapon of God, and so he has answered my prayers, because it is not a selfish motive and it brings glory to him. I do not apologize, but I'm getting ready to evangelize outside of the internet now, thus my time that was used to debate on here will be moved to reading the Word of God. Until I am called to evangelize, I will study scriptures, I know the time to evangelize is not yet hand. I thank you ALL for your posts, I believe it has opened me up to better spread the word to others. God bless you all, and I pray that he opens all of your hearts.

you sound like you want to be atheist you don't need a legit reason to be just like you Christians :D

You're a real sh*t-stirrer huh?

Dude, lighten up. I don't care about your lifestyle and no one cares about mine. We all skate, we all love each other and we all win at life. There's nothing to gain from this.

I just want to be happy about my existence and not be pressured to be Athiest or Religious. I know what I believe in and there's no point using such heavy handed rants to try to change me or razz or yourself. YOU know what you want. Why stir the pot mate?

Life's short enough. Live it.

Tell me how something can come from nothing so that I may believe in the big bang, and evolution!
You tell me, apparently "God" created man out of NOTHING. So, YOU tell me. And if you want to know how something can come from nothing. Do your research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter

Besides we don't even know a fraction of a fraction of what the Universe harnesses in terms of energy and ability, so just cause we can't create Antimatter with ease, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

christians dont follow the ten commandments. but they were all kinda repeated in the new testament. Jesus said the followers of the mosaic laws were hypocrites.

Why wouldn't you be allowed to listen to all kinds of music, or whack off? Where in the Bible does it shun listening to music and whacking off?

Why wouldn't you be allowed to listen to all kinds of music, or whack off? Where in the Bible does it shun listening to music and whacking off?

I know eh? Two most fun things ever gone just like that. Now THATS heartbreaking!

Why wouldn't you be allowed to listen to all kinds of music, or whack off? Where in the Bible does it shun listening to music and whacking off?

Well not an exact quote, but the whacking off has to do with basically only having one woman in your life you "mate" with and when you do "mate" it is solely for breeding. I could be wrong, but I think that is the GENERAL idea of it. So by whacking off, you're technically cheating the system or whatever.

Well, to me it's obvious that =Z28= is not here to debate, he's the "spread the gospel troll." He's yet to refute a single point made against his position, he just glosses over what is stated and goes back to quoting the scripture. I tried to be nice about it, but it's really annoying.

Do you skateboard, =Z28=? Or is that against the rules?

Don't hold your breath waiting for those PM's.

Well not an exact quote, but the whacking off has to do with basically only having one woman in your life you "mate" with and when you do "mate" it is solely for breeding. I could be wrong, but I think that is the GENERAL idea of it. So by whacking off, you're technically cheating the system or whatever.

But beating the ol' "one eyed snake" is healthy for a marriage. It's part of "loving thy neighbour" or in other words respecting other people.

There's no way you can respect your partner and still have a healthy sex drive, whacking off balances out the equation and is part of respecting your partner.

But beating the ol' "one eyed snake" is healthy for a marriage. It's part of "loving thy neighbour" or in other words respecting other people.

There's no way you can respect your partner and still have a healthy sex drive, whacking off balances out the equation and is part of respecting your partner.

Trust me I know, but it's not that acceptable in the bible.

Trust me I know, but it's not that acceptable in the bible.
It's not acceptable in the Bible because those rules were carried when Judaism was still fairly young, and they desperately needed to populate. People didn't live as long back then, so it wasn't a big deal to marry young. You can't apply ancient rules to modern life. Whacking off doesn't hurt anybody, and personally, as a 19-year old college student with no sign of a girlfriend in my near future, I don't think I'd be harming the Christian movement by whacking a couple off. Use your brain; not everything in the Bible should be taken literally. Honestly, pretending your sex drive isn't there isn't any holier than relieving yourself of excrement deposit.

It's a trap. Men have no choice but to jerk off if they aren't getting any nookie, and it's actually healthy to do so. That's a fact.

It's not acceptable in the Bible because those rules were carried when Judaism was still fairly young, and they desperately needed to populate. People didn't live as long back then, so it wasn't a big deal to marry young. You can't apply ancient rules to modern life. Whacking off doesn't hurt anybody, and personally, as a 19-year old college student with no sign of a girlfriend in my near future, I don't think I'd be harming the Christian movement by whacking a couple off. Use your brain; not everything in the Bible should be taken literally.

I can see many of the Commandments coming from the church with no sign of "Devine guidance" at all. These commandments didn't come from a God they came from common sense and a movement where the church was the law.

It's not acceptable in the Bible because those rules were carried when Judaism was still fairly young, and they desperately needed to populate. People didn't live as long back then, so it wasn't a big deal to marry young. You can't apply ancient rules to modern life. Whacking off doesn't hurt anybody, and personally, as a 19-year old college student with no sign of a girlfriend in my near future, I don't think I'd be harming the Christian movement by whacking a couple off. Use your brain; not everything in the Bible should be taken literally. Honestly, pretending your sex drive isn't there isn't any holier than relieving yourself of excrement deposit.
I wasn't necessarily trying to associate it with modern life but more so going off of what I could remember being told in CCD (church school basically, every Sunday). Of course that was...11 years ago, so the memory could be a little faded. Thanks for the clarification though!

Did you REALLY just associate satanism with atheism???

I have gone to Catholic private schools all my life but the one thing I can't stand is when people try to push their religion and views on others... If you believe in something different than someone else.. great good for you stfu about it and don't ridicule someone for what they believe in.

Excuse me, but why would we want to convert you? What's it do for us?

You believe what you think is correct, we're not out to convert anyone...we're a tolerant group of people and don't care what you believe. We do, however, start to care when you assume your beliefs are correct.

Either you accept the truth before you, or deny it.

Not only was your statement pathetic, but was also the most bigoted statement I've seen in months...

You make a terrible Christian...

You make a terrible Christian...

Maybe by your standards of a good Christian, but from what I've seen, which is only over a forum so I wouldn't know, he's doing exactly what Jesus said todo.

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

I'm sure the apostles didn't fit in with what the majority of people thought was acceptable either as far as witnessing, considering (at least according to my history book, which could be wrong for all I know) that that was one of the main reasons that the Roman empire started persecuting Christians, the other being that they didn't worship the "national gods" so to speak. Yet was it the right thing to do? I say so.

P.s. something can come from nothing through anti-matter, because essentially, anti-matter is an opposite compound of matter. So the vacuum of space, is realy just a gigantic assortment of compounds of anti-matter and matter.

Yes, science can, and has taken nothing and turned it into something. First creation of anti matter was done in 1990, and since then, improvements on method have been achieved.

^ There's really no point in even trying to give them answer on 'how something can come from nothing'

Until they explain to me how God can come from nothing without saying "he's God, hejustthere!", then they're putting themselves in the same sort of circular logic they're accustomed to.

I wasn't necessarily trying to associate it with modern life but more so going off of what I could remember being told in CCD (church school basically, every Sunday). Of course that was...11 years ago, so the memory could be a little faded. Thanks for the clarification though!
Sorry if I came off as a d!ck, but I'm just trying to show you that Christianity isn't about living by laws. In fact, one of the main messages of both Jesus and Paul was that instead of focusing on living by laws, you should just have faith and love God, love your neighbor and all people and treat them with kindness, and strive to live righteously.

^ There's really no point in even trying to give them answer on 'how something can come from nothing'

Until they explain to me how God can come from nothing without saying "he's God, hejustthere!", then they're putting themselves in the same sort of circular logic they're accustomed to.

I know, but if you keep hammering away at a nail, it's bound to go down sooner or later.

Masturbation is addressed in the Bible, and it cannot be interpreted any way else. The Bible clearly indicates that lust is a sin. There is no way around it.

I do agree that, because people don't marry as young as they used to, that it has become a bigger problem. I also think that it wouldn't be as big a problem as people think if women wouldn't dress the way they do nowadays.

But it's not that we have to find an excuse for a male's lust, which is really what I have seen here, but we have to admit we do it and pick ourselves up again. I can't tell you how many times i've done something wrong, and when i'm caught, I begin making a list of excuses as long as my arm. If you're a Christian, you can't rob yourself of the responsibility of your own actions.

As far as music is concerned, Jesus said that "it is not what goes into the man that makes him evil, but what comes out." So it all depends on what you do with the music.

Why wouldn't you be allowed to listen to all kinds of music, or whack off? Where in the Bible does it shun listening to music and whacking off?

Jesus said not to listen to music that is harmful to the ears (slayer, 50 cent, etc) you can listen to non Christian music just no bad language or promoting something bad. It wasn't very clear about wacking off but here is a link http://bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=252

Maybe by your standards of a good Christian, but from what I've seen, which is only over a forum so I wouldn't know, he's doing exactly what Jesus said todo.

Mark 16:15


I'm sure the apostles didn't fit in with what the majority of people thought was acceptable either as far as witnessing, considering (at least according to my history book, which could be wrong for all I know)that that was one of the main reasons that the Roman empire started persecuting Christians, the other being that they didn't worship the "national gods" so to speak. Yet was it the right thing to do? I say so.

Funny how you accept the fact that your history book could be wrong but you don't do the same for the Bible.

^ That was complete ownage, I feel jealous I didn't think of that...a well deserved +rep

^ There's really no point in even trying to give them answer on 'how something can come from nothing'

Until they explain to me how God can come from nothing without saying "he's God, hejustthere!", then they're putting themselves in the same sort of circular logic they're accustomed to.

Obviously an omnipotent God that has always existed

is logically a lot more easier to believe than

physical matter always in existence.


Ahem, on further note, I have 2 bands (and all their albums) I still have that aren't Christian. Rage against the machine, and Killswitch Engage. Perhaps I'll listen to them someday, perhaps not, for now I just want to listen to music that glorifies God. I realize throwing away most of my secular cds was a really extreme thing to do, and many Christians still listen to secular music, and that's perfectly fine. As Tyler said, it's not what goes in, but what goes out. Perfect scripture right there for this topic. (If i may note there is scripture for every other topic aswell!) There are many great secular bands out there, it's not a sin to listen to them. However, some certain bands promote sin, and only make it easier to sin. Rap is a classic example.

I love how Noj comes in and shuts the thread down with a sentence or two, not some rambling paragraph.

But seriously, Noj is right on that one.

Why not just take a chill pill for a while, stop trying to convert every one for a few days and talk about some skateboarding? Seeing three or four of these threads is wearing thin every time I hit the "new post" link.

The the supernatural sense of Martyrdom you, and all religious fanatics, get out of this is made so obvious by statements like, "my words sting the sin within." It makes me laugh a little.

Jesus said not to listen to music that is harmful to the ears (slayer, 50 cent, etc) you can listen to non Christian music just no bad language or promoting something bad. It wasn't very clear about wacking off but here is a link http://bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=252
Is music harmful to the ears if it doesn't influence you? I could listen to the most br00tal, blood curtling, gore-fiendish deathgrindshredslashmetal all day, and it wouldn't influence me. So how can it be harmful to my ears if I don't take any of the lyrics seriously, and if I don't let the messages influence me?

Obviously an omnipotent God that has always existed

is logically a lot more easier to believe than

physical matter always in existence.



So what you are saying is that it is easier for you to believe in "invisi-matter, than physical matter?

Surely you realize that the Christian Theory has been falsified hundreds of times over?

heres one of the stupidest arguments christans have.
"how was something created out of nothing...?"
well, you just proved their whole religon wrong.
if something cant be created out of nothing.
then how the hell did god even come into the picture?

do you christians have a theory about that?
because scientists have a theory on how the world came to be, and no.
it wasnt from god
Merging doublepost
Obviously an omnipotent God that has always existed

is logically a lot more easier to believe than

physical matter always in existence.


so youre saying you can beleive that something powerful enough to create the universe was already here, but not the universe itself...?

Broken all ten commandments except for six and seven.

And proud of it ;)

Obviously an omnipotent God that has always existed

is logically a lot more easier to believe than

physical matter always in existence.

You're right, God is the easiest answer to believe because it requires no thinking whatsoever and just a 'Goddunit' theory.

Smart people, however, choose not to believe the most logical answer...but base their answers on truth and fact.

P.s. something can come from nothing through anti-matter, because essentially, anti-matter is an opposite compound of matter. So the vacuum of space, is realy just a gigantic assortment of compounds of anti-matter and matter.

Yes, science can, and has taken nothing and turned it into something. First creation of anti matter was done in 1990, and since then, improvements on method have been achieved.

Then essentially, you've spent a ton of time creating nothing, since it's the opposite of matter, which is something. Great use of time, eh?

:icon_peac

Then essentially, you've spent a ton of time creating nothing, since it's the opposite of matter, which is something. Great use of time, eh?

:icon_peac

No... anti-matter is something. It's like a proton with a negative charge (or electron with a positive charge). We spent a ton of time creating what is essentially a parallel universe's components. Nothingness is the compound created by anti-matter and matter joining together.

And the method of creating / proving anti-matter's existance is what's defined as an anti-cathode ray tube. A normal cathode ray tube fires electrons with a negative charge through neon, which excites the neon and causes what looks like a blue laser to form (but it's really a beam of electrons)

Anti-cathode ray tubes fire anti-electrons, which go from the positive plate towards the negative (vice versa) through the neon, and it produces a purple laser in the opposite direction, however the laser thins out as it reaches the negative plate. Kinda cool actually.

You're right, God is the easiest answer to believe because it requires no thinking whatsoever and just a 'Goddunit' theory.

Smart people, however, choose not to believe the most logical answer...but base their answers on truth and fact.

Oh this would explain why /some/ scientists are starting to believe in a God. Oh yeah! Wait, no it wouldn't. You're off your rocker, pal.

Oh this would explain why scientists are starting to believe in a God. Oh yeah! Wait, no it wouldn't.

Individuals come to believe in a God for many reasons. But your statement is so misleading it is on the edge of falsehood. The statment you made is implying that there is a large movement in the scienetific community twords a religious faith, which is untrue.

Is it annoying to argue a point by asking a pointed question and then answering it in one breath? You betcha!

Oh this would explain why /some/ scientists are starting to believe in a God. Oh yeah! Wait, no it wouldn't. You're off your rocker, pal.

What? Are you implying that more and more scientists are believing in God?

Was this a joke? I failed to see the funny

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.' (Money, sex, drugs, girlfriend, anything you put before the Lord is your God, even yourself, or skateboarding)

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.' (again, no idolatry)

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.' (Blasphemy, saying his name in vain, they do it all the time in music and movies)

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.' (No working on Sunday, I think everyone can love this one)

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.' (Obey them)

SIX: 'You shall not murder.' (Hating is the same)

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.' (Looking at porn, lusting after a girl in a bikini, or in tight pants, looking at a girls **** or ass, fantasizing)

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.' (Not even that gum pack at 7-11)

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' (No lying)

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.' (No coveting, desiring what is not yours)

It's just too hard to do it all isn't it? How often do we catch ourselves looking at that girl walking down the hall or street? How often do we lie to get out of trouble, or for personal gain, to appease our peers? How often do we look in the mirrors and say "G-D" I look good? How often do we think about money being the only thing that matters? How often do we put ourselves #1 and our skateboarding #1? How often do we see a nice car rollin down the street and say, "I want that", how often do we say the same about a hottie we spot?
I've broken every single one in 15 years. I'm proud.

I also think that everything closing up on Sunday and whatnot is a pile of bull****. Why should EVERYONE have to suffer for someone else's beliefs?

Props, I've broken every single one! Sweet Jesus!

Ok I lol'd at the "hard work being a Christian because the world is promoting so much sin"

Sin? says who? dusty old book from 2000 years ago?

I gotta say I find it immensely mind boggling that someone really follows a 2000 year old book just because they don't know the answer to how life began. How is that relevant to your life if it was the big bang or not? Basically at its roots you are afraid of this hell might be true and you don't want to get stuck there for all eternity.

Personally I couldn't give a sh*t if it was the big bang, evolution, FSM, God or whatever.
But to me evolution and all that stuff seems more probable than some god that craves to be worshiped or he will send you to a pit of fire.(sounds like propaganda to control people)
I'm so f*cking happy that I haven't been born in a fully Christian country where you get conditioned since birth that there is a god.

I've broken every single one in 15 years. I'm proud.

I also think that everything closing up on Sunday and whatnot is a pile of bull****. Why should EVERYONE have to suffer for someone else's beliefs?

Wait dude murder? Unless you mean Hating. That was the oddest section in a very odd post. How is murder the same as hating? Its natural to dislike people, but I still forbear from Killing them.

^I agree. Sure hate can lead to murder but it does not usually do so. Why on earth would you claim that the two are synonymous, =Z28=? <DN:)

^I agree. Sure hate can lead to murder but it does not usually do so. Why on earth would you claim that the two are synonymous, =Z28=? <DN:)

Because in 1 John it says "He who hates his brother is a murderer." I think that's what he was referring to.

ya know, people aren't athiest simply because christianity is hard work. More so, they realize it is unnecessary work, with no eternal reward, because nobody will ever be eternal.
We are not mindless. We are not followers. We are not afraid.

Because in 1 John it says "He who hates his brother is a murderer." I think that's what he was referring to.

Oh, so he was referring to scripture that contradicts the actual meaning of the word "murder." Thanks for the clarification. :)

Jesus said not to listen to music that is harmful to the ears (slayer, 50 cent, etc) you can listen to non Christian music just no bad language or promoting something bad. It wasn't very clear about wacking off but here is a link http://bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=252

jesus knew about slayer? bad ass.

ya know, people aren't athiest simply because christianity is hard work. More so, they realize it is unnecessary work, with no eternal reward, because nobody will ever be eternal.
We are not mindless. We are not followers. We are not afraid.

The last part of that reminded me of a feminist group or something.

"we are not slaves to the stoves! we don't need men! **** THE CONTINUATION OF THE SPECIES! WE SHALL OVERCOME!"

The last part of that reminded me of a feminist group or something.

"we are not slaves to the stoves! we don't need men! **** THE CONTINUATION OF THE SPECIES! WE SHALL OVERCOME!"

But what he said made more sense than what feminists say.

ya know, people aren't athiest simply because christianity is hard work. More so, they realize it is unnecessary work, with no eternal reward, because nobody will ever be eternal.
We are not mindless. We are not followers. We are not afraid.

Well said.

I am not afraid.

Sorry if I came off as a d!ck, but I'm just trying to show you that Christianity isn't about living by laws. In fact, one of the main messages of both Jesus and Paul was that instead of focusing on living by laws, you should just have faith and love God, love your neighbor and all people and treat them with kindness, and strive to live righteously.

I don't mean to sound like a **** either, nor do i wish to fight with people which is why i don't post often in these threads,
but if Christianity isn't about living by laws, why are there commandments?
Look at the root of the word commandments, command. Basically you have to live by these laws.
Correct me if i'm wrong.

Wait dude murder? Unless you mean Hating. That was the oddest section in a very odd post. How is murder the same as hating? Its natural to dislike people, but I still forbear from Killing them.
Well I obviously haven't murdered anyone.

I've hated a few people, got in fights or w/e. I couldnt bring myself to murder anybody, though.

im christian and i can't stand christian music, unless its rock(some) or screamo(blessthefall the devil wears prada) and i'm pretty sure christian bands have bad language in some of their songs..

when is language ever mentioned in the bible? I'm fairly certin the only thing your not supposed to say is "GOD". the f bomb didn't exist back then. most languages don't even have an equivalent nowadays. so i don't know where people get the idea that "secular" music is bad, or why cursing is offensive (okay its cursing. but they are all random, mostly mono-syllabic words on a first-grade reading level). The FSM doesn't care though. he won't punish you for your musical style. I promise :icon_wink

"secular" music? LOL, what is that, non-religious music?

The only thing "bad" in this case is the intelligence of the morons who believe rock/heavy metal/etc are 'bad'

i would assume. its in one of the drop bars in the first post

I'm not even bothering to read the responses. I'm a christian and if you wanted somebody to give you an honest discussion on why to become an atheist, you should have started with some statements that were less loaded.

You make it sound like every atheist choses such because they want to drink, get high, and have sex.

There are plenty of Christians that do those things and ignore their moral rules.

I'm not even bothering to read the responses. I'm a christian and if you wanted somebody to give you an honest discussion on why to become an atheist, you should have started with some statements that were less loaded.

You make it sound like every atheist choses such because they want to drink, get high, and have sex.

There are plenty of Christians that do those things and ignore their moral rules.

Then those "Christians" really aren't Christians at all, but hypocrites: people who claim it but don't live it.

"secular" music? LOL, what is that, non-religious music?

The only thing "bad" in this case is the intelligence of the morons who believe rock/heavy metal/etc are 'bad'
It's not the music. There are some secular songs and even bands that are perfectly fine in my book. It's the songs that are loaded with trashy lyrics: cursing like crazy, talking about sexual immoral acts, drug & alcohol abuse, etc.

Christianity is just another word for arrogance. We are intelligent so we must be superior. We must have a mission and that mission must be to submit to some powerful being that controls all things. ONLY THAT is superior to us.

The earth is trying to wipe us out. AIDS etc. things to lower the population. One day we wil be gone forever. No god, no nothing. Just the universe and all that comes with it.

Christianity is just another word for arrogance. We are intelligent so we must be superior. We must have a mission and that mission must be to submit to some powerful being that controls all things. ONLY THAT is superior to us.

The earth is trying to wipe us out. AIDS etc. things to lower the population. One day we wil be gone forever. No god, no nothing. Just the universe and all that comes with it.

Arrogance? In saying I'm a Christian, I'm saying I'm a terrible person and I need help in life. How is that arrogant? And actually reading what you put, who said I don't have evidence for such. I've shown you before. According to razz it doesn't count as evidence, but actually knowing what I've seen true it's plenty proof to me that Jesus lives, especially considering there is no other possible explanation for much of the stuff. Humans being intelligent has nothing to do with it. If it did, dolphins would be just as big and important as humans according to God.

Thank you Izzy, I was going to say something similar about that but you beat me to it. :)

Arrogance? In saying I'm a Christian, I'm saying I'm a terrible person and I need help in life. How is that arrogant? And actually reading what you put, who said I don't have evidence for such. I've shown you before. According to razz it doesn't count as evidence, but actually knowing what I've seen true it's plenty proof to me that Jesus lives, especially considering there is no other possible explanation for much of the stuff. Humans being intelligent has nothing to do with it. If it did, dolphins would be just as big and important as humans according to God.

Not saying that I agree with the McCrank's post but I think it is fair to argue that it is at least a bit arrogant to claim that you know all the answers to why we are here, what happens when we die, etc. and really not leaving anything up for debate or much change.

The reason why your personal experience does not count as evidence because you were only there to witness it. There could be a bias in the way you interpret the experience and there is generally no proof beside your word. I say the FSM saved me and talks to me daily, now the only proof is my word and there is nothing to disprove my statement.

Everyone listen to this before reading on:
http://members.aol.com/skokholm/sound/shearw.wav


Done listening? Neuroscience tells us that the mind does do this to people, they really do believe they've experienced the divine. A lot of people think this only happens to really crazy people in mental asylums but that isn't the case, one of our professors told us that the nicest and most normal people can experience it.

For example, the Manx Shearwater is one species of bird that many have actually confused to be the devil. Richard Dawkins actually mentioned it in the God Delusion.

Imagine going out camping, a stormy night, every is going horribly wrong...and you hear creaks, screeches, etc. Next thing you know, you hear this:

http://members.aol.com/skokholm/sound/shearw.wav


How many people, exactly like Izzy, do you honestly think would confuse such a thing with Lucifer himself?

Rodney mullen is a christian. If you are a christian, then you are the best skater ever. Cause rodney's the only one i know of. But seriously, im a christian too. And I'm cool with it.

Everyone listen to this before reading on:
http://members.aol.com/skokholm/sound/shearw.wav


Done listening? Neuroscience tells us that the mind does do this to people, they really do believe they've experienced the divine. A lot of people think this only happens to really crazy people in mental asylums but that isn't the case, one of our professors told us that the nicest and most normal people can experience it.

For example, the Manx Shearwater is one species of bird that many have actually confused to be the devil. Richard Dawkins actually mentioned it in the God Delusion.

Imagine going out camping, a stormy night, every is going horribly wrong...and you hear creaks, screeches, etc. Next thing you know, you hear this:

http://members.aol.com/skokholm/sound/shearw.wav


How many people, exactly like Izzy, do you honestly think would confuse such a thing with Lucifer himself?

Yeah man so many people ignore that the mind is f*cking crazy even if you are a normal person with no disorders.

The difference about weather you could confuse that bird with the devil or not is a very small line, you either believe or you don't

Personally I don't believe in god or the devil so I wouldn't think the bird was satan, I'd be horrified and might compare it to him but I don't think the devil really exists.

But people can so easily hear that and the devil is something we very easily relate to so that might make them go all paranoid and start thinking it's a sign and they have to turn to god for answers because they went all wrong in life. Or they can just think it's a strange noise and nothing supernatural.

Jesus, the devil.. they aren't physical, it's in your head. You chose to believe, fine. You don't, fine also. It shouldn't affect the other side.

I've broken every single one in 15 years. I'm proud.

I also think that everything closing up on Sunday and whatnot is a pile of bull****. Why should EVERYONE have to suffer for someone else's beliefs?

first off, u talk nonsence

second, why do you think there are seven days in the week? .. il tell you why, because god made it that way, they tried to change it a few times through out history and found it to be terrible, so seven it remains.
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The difference about weather you could confuse that bird with the devil or not is a very small line, you either believe or you don't

Personally I don't believe in god or the devil so I wouldn't think the bird was satan, I'd be horrified and might compare it to him but I don't think the devil really exists.

But people can so easily hear that and the devil is something we very easily relate to so that might make them go all paranoid and start thinking it's a sign and they have to turn to god for answers because they went all wrong in life. Or they can just think it's a strange noise and nothing supernatural.

Jesus, the devil.. they aren't physical, it's in your head. You chose to believe, fine. You don't, fine also. It shouldn't affect the other side.

i think jesus would say he was infact physical when he was being tortured. that happend, even if you dont beleive him to be the messiah, that still happend, thats why its 2008 AD, after death, it happend. duh. u r niave.

first off, u talk nonsence

second, why do you think there are seven days in the week? .. il tell you why, because god made it that way, they tried to change it a few times through out history and found it to be terrible, so seven it remains.
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That's your proof? There's seven days in the week? Then explain why there have been other calendars in different civilizations throughout history.


i think jesus would say he was infact physical when he was being tortured. that happend, even if you dont beleive him to be the messiah, that still happend, thats why its 2008 AD, after death, it happend. duh. u r niave.
I find it funny how even though the word naive was right in front of you still managed to misspell it.

That's your proof? There's seven days in the week? Then explain why there have been other calendars in different civilizations throughout history.


I find it funny how even though the word naive was right in front of you still managed to misspell it.

who cares, you cant argue what im saying there. its 2008 AD because christ dies 2008 years ago, he was a real person no matter what you beleive him to be, he existed, and was killed, 2008 AD. god bless.

who cares, you cant argue what im saying there. its 2008 AD because christ dies 2008 years ago, he was a real person no matter what you beleive him to be, he existed, and was killed, 2008 AD. god bless.

Dude...just..no.

The best estimate we have of Jesus' birth is around 3 A.D. and he lived to be in his 30's.

i think jesus would say he was infact physical when he was being tortured. that happend, even if you dont beleive him to be the messiah, that still happend, thats why its 2008 AD, after death, it happend. duh. u r niave.

duh...

I'm not saying that there wasn't a guy called Jesus that was killed blahblahblah, I'm saying that the belief in GOD, A SUPERIOR PRESENCE, etc, is something that isn't physical and it's true if you decide to believe in it.

first off, u talk nonsence

second, why do you think there are seven days in the week? .. il tell you why, because god made it that way, they tried to change it a few times through out history and found it to be terrible, so seven it remains.
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i think jesus would say he was infact physical when he was being tortured. that happend, even if you dont beleive him to be the messiah, that still happend, thats why its 2008 AD, after death, it happend. duh. u r niave.

There are 7 days in the week because Christianity has such a stranglehold on society.

No one knows for sure if Jesus was a real person or when he was born/killed if he ever existed.

It's 2008 AD because Christianity has such a stranglehold on society.

There are 7 days in the week because Christianity has such a stranglehold on society.

No one knows for sure if Jesus was a real person or when he was born/killed if he ever existed.

It's 2008 AD because Christianity has such a stranglehold on society.

Jesus definitely was crucified during the reign on Tiberius Caesar, and was definitely the brother of James. There are 2 historians who wrote of Jesus in that time period. Let me give you both.

Reporting on Emperor Nero's decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:

Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .

And Josephus, a Jewish historian.

And now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the Sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king, desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a Sanhedrin without his consent. Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest

He definitely existed.

who cares, you cant argue what im saying there. its 2008 AD because christ dies 2008 years ago, he was a real person no matter what you beleive him to be, he existed, and was killed, 2008 AD. god bless.

You completely ignored the point I made. You said that the reason we have seven days in a week is because "God made it that way" and failed to address the point that I made, that if God made the seven days in a week calendar that we use today then why have there been other calendars used by different civilization throughout history?

Rodney mullen is a christian. If you are a christian, then you are the best skater ever. Cause rodney's the only one i know of. But seriously, im a christian too. And I'm cool with it.

I sincerely hope that was a joke...I highly doubt that his religion is what makes him a great skater. :icon_wink

i think jesus would say he was infact physical when he was being tortured. that happend, even if you dont beleive him to be the messiah, that still happend, thats why its 2008 AD, after death, it happend. duh. u r niave.

it's 2008 AD because the popes ran everything for hundreds of years and thought that would be nice.

the Muslim calender is something in the nieghborhhod of 1400. because Muhhamed recieved the word of Gabriel at zero.

don't think you're the only right group. i noticed those red bars. they're nice.

Excuse me, but why would we want to convert you? What's it do for us?

You believe what you think is correct, we're not out to convert anyone...we're a tolerant group of people and don't care what you believe. We do, however, start to care when you assume your beliefs are correct.



Not only was your statement pathetic, but was also the most bigoted statement I've seen in months...

You make a terrible Christian...

take a GOOD LONG look at what you said razz.