I personally started skating to get away from bad habits, such as doing immoral sexual things, and to control my anger. God put one of my best friends, Chauncey, in my life b/c he wanted to help me w/ my problems. Chauncey introduced me to skating last summer, I've only been skating a year, but i love it, it has made me some very good friends in my church and i use skating to clear my head alot, but also i love to just skate around and try new tricks, I'm not good at all, but i skate everyday to get better, I'm stuck on the pop-shovit right now, but i'll get it soon i bet, but i don't live near a skate park so i'm stuck 2 my house 4 skating, but i love it and God has used it to take over my life, in a good way, to get away from bad habits. I carry my best board around w/ me, like everywhere, the mall, the store, anywhere there's pavement and i have free time, i'm skating, so, now i'm done w/ all my anger problems and am doing alot better with immortality, so, has God helped you through skating? Let's hear your reasons you skate 4 god

Tyler

That's good man. I believe God put skating in my life too. I also was struggling with anger but when I started skating that was a way I could release it. When I first got into it I couldn't afford a board, so I had to wait. But right before I got one we moved into a house, and like a month or two after we moved in a skatepark was built right up the street, and I found a board I could afford. I'm glad that God put it in my life because finally I feel like I belong somewhere. I'm also glad that more Christians are starting to find skating.:)

Just because you met a good influence, doesn't mean it was God's doing.

But it's good you got away from bad habits.

hey shortys, are you even a christian? just wondering, b/c i believe god did put him in there 4 me, he lived in georgia, and i met him b/c he was at a family camp for my church, so yea, god did

Tyler

hey shortys, are you even a christian? just wondering, b/c i believe god did put him in there 4 me, he lived in georgia, and i met him b/c he was at a family camp for my church, so yea, god did

Tyler

ugh..

hey shortys, are you even a christian? just wondering, b/c i believe god did put him in there 4 me, he lived in georgia, and i met him b/c he was at a family camp for my church, so yea, god did

Tyler
No, I am not. I beleive there is a "God", but I do not follow christian rule. I beleive that "God" sits back and lets things happen how they happen, I don't beleive he's involved like christians do.

And I go to camps for church every year. Does God put me there? No, my parents do.

It's seeming to me that your the kind that beleives that every time something good happens, it was automatically God's doing, and not just something good that happened.

I see your from Kalamazoo, is that near Jackson? A group at the camp I went to last year was from Jackson.

I believe that god put lilro into my life even though hes my cousin i would of never gotten back into skateboarding.The first night in my life i hung out with lilro i was a fruitbooter wearing some cheap ass airwalk blades. I tried to go off a ledge and they broke that night i went to spend the night at lilro and he gave me a skateboard to use the next day and ever since thenits all i do...i have had a lot of family members dying recently matter offact 1 has dided every year since 1998 so i use skateboarding as an outlet and as an anger and stress reliever and i know that its from god's doing.

just because you skate doesnt mean its because of god.
a coincidence is more like it

just because you skate doesnt mean its because of god.
a coincidence is more like it


so do you believe like when people are told they will never walk again or that they were for sure going to die but indeed walked again and lived was just a coincidence?
how my uncle had an avm an was in a coma for about 5 months the doctors told us he wouldnt survive and if he did he would a be a vegetable. and now hes living talking and learning how to walk again and i truly believe thats God. NOT a coincidencde

so do you believe like when people are told they will never walk again or that they were for sure going to die but indeed walked again and lived was just a coincidence?
how my uncle had an avm an was in a coma for about 5 months the doctors told us he wouldnt survive and if he did he would a be a vegetable. and now hes living talking and learning how to walk again and i truly believe thats God. NOT a coincidencde

then you, my friend, are ignorant.
its called science.

then you, my friend, are ignorant.
its called science.


no my friend if it was called science they wouldnt have told him he was going to die.instead they would have relied on your science to save him but know they unplugged him off of life support and he still lived so honestly is it really science that they performed when they gave up on him? but yet he still lived? i think not

Guys you can't debate about this, not properly. Its belief vs. belief.

Guys you can't debate about this, not properly. Its belief vs. belief.


that does make sense.

Guys you can't debate about this, not properly. Its belief vs. belief.

actually you can, its beleif vs. beleif and fact.
i have fact on my side.
science can prove what it says. can god?
no

actually you can, its beleif vs. beleif and fact.
i have fact on my side.
science can prove what it says. can god?
no

Wow yeah sorry, don't let me diss your 'proof.' You are not the person this happened to. You can't prove anything about it. If you proved it, then he would believe you. So drop it. And then I will too:) And we shall all live in harmony and teach each other tricks.

harmonys a cool word.

actually you can, its beleif vs. beleif and fact.
i have fact on my side.
science can prove what it says. can god?
no

Your facts are what said the man would die.

Your facts are what said the man would die.

i was talking about god in general, not this situation.

and this argument is already over, sorry dude

Your facts are what said the man would die.


thank you thats my point exactly

i was talking about god in general, not this situation.

and this argument is already over, sorry dude

Oh that's alright...I just wanted to point out that science and 'fact' have no room for miracles.

hey people, i posted this post on WHY YOU SKATE, not to debate on if god is doing anything in our lives, i say he is, and that's that, so don't debate on if god is real or not, or if he does anything for that matter, and if your not a Christian, don't join this group, and hey, don't call people ignorant, as teddy Roosevelt said "Ignorance of one's own ignorance is the Malady of the Ignorant", in other words, TAKES ONE 2 KNOW ONE, so hey, please don't comment on people's posts if your trying to tick them off, and he's right, your "Fact's" said his Uncle, so you know, your facts SUCK!!!! And you are the ignorant one arejayismyname, not him

Tyler

ummm, i ended this argument awhile ago.
as in i stopped arguing, because my point would never get across to you.
youre saying that we cannot debate on god while trying to debate with me your fact that god is real. your post contradicts itself.
and if you thing we cant debate on this forum, you obviously havent been here long enough.
i have as much right to my opinion as you do.

Just because you met a good influence, doesn't mean it was God's doing.


sigh..

^What are you sighing at?

They say people will die, but they end up living all the time. Just because people take a turn for the better, doesn't mean it's God.

They've been telling my grandfather this will be his last year since 2003. He's still completely fine. Oh, may I point out he's not a christian?

I'm not trying to disprove your beleifs or anything man, I'm just saying, just because something good happens, doesn't mean it's God.

^What are you sighing at?

They say people will die, but they end up living all the time. Just because people take a turn for the better, doesn't mean it's God.

They've been telling my grandfather this will be his last year since 2003. He's still completely fine. Oh, may I point out he's not a christian?

I'm not trying to disprove your beleifs or anything man, I'm just saying, just because something good happens, doesn't mean it's God.


so what exactly do you think is keeping him here? witchcraft?

^Yes, because I totally stated that I beleive in witchcraft. Idiot.

Doctors say things based on probability. If you have cancer in your liver that is spreading into your bones, the chances of you living aren't to great. Does it mean you won't live through it? No, it doesn't. It means that there is a greater chance of you dying than living, they say "He probably won't live through this" because of the probability factor.

When will you people get through your heads that some good things just happen on their own?

plus, saying that your father had a say 10% chance of living and a 90% chance of dying...the doctor wont tell you that because it will give you a false sense of hope...

he is PROBUBLY going to die, it doesnt mean that the 10% is ruled out. your uncle got lucky

plus, saying that your father had a say 10% chance of living and a 90% chance of dying...the doctor wont tell you that because it will give you a false sense of hope...

he is PROBUBLY going to die, it doesnt mean that the 10% is ruled out. your uncle got lucky


i believe hes blessed but you know its an argument of opions so end of convo

i believe hes blessed but you know its an argument of opions so end of convo

ummm no. i tried to end this awhile ago, but your dumbass wouldnt listen.
what SK and i said were facts, there is proof that doctors do that.

other than faith can you give me any proof that your uncle lived because of god. i dont think so.
and dont just say because hes alive, because my fact already proved that that can happen.

I personally started skating to get away from bad habits, such as doing immoral sexual things, and to control my anger. God put one of my best friends, Chauncey, in my life b/c he wanted to help me w/ my problems. Chauncey introduced me to skating last summer, I've only been skating a year, but i love it, it has made me some very good friends in my church and i use skating to clear my head alot, but also i love to just skate around and try new tricks, I'm not good at all, but i skate everyday to get better, I'm stuck on the pop-shovit right now, but i'll get it soon i bet, but i don't live near a skate park so i'm stuck 2 my house 4 skating, but i love it and God has used it to take over my life, in a good way, to get away from bad habits. I carry my best board around w/ me, like everywhere, the mall, the store, anywhere there's pavement and i have free time, i'm skating, so, now i'm done w/ all my anger problems and am doing alot better with immortality, so, has God helped you through skating? Let's hear your reasons you skate 4 god

Tyler

Tyler, ...until you asked this question...I never directly attributed my skateboarding to God. I just looked up onto the shelf in the garage one day and saw my son's old skateboard and said to myself...."I think I can do that."

Now why does a 57 year old guy do that? I don't know of anybody anywhere near my age that did that. I know a lot of people that think I'm crazy because I skateboard....or maybe possessed...LOL!!!

I've gotten healthier than I ever was in my life before. I went and had a heart stress test a while back. It is usually a two day test, but after 10 minutes of my being on the tread mill, they sent me home and said I have the heart of a 40 year old man.

I've met some of the most amazing people and made some of the best friends of my life. I've been able to help a lot of young skaters get to the parks and stay in skate equipment and i've doctored them when they got hurt and fed them when they were hungry or thirsty...and they have encouraged me in my sport and taught me stuff that helped me get better and kept me from killing myself.

Do I attribute my desire and my ability to skateboard to God? Well....I guess I would have to say I do. It is a logical step based on my belief in God as revealed in the Bible. I believe the Bible is God's word to man. It isn't a very far leap from believing that God created me and the other skateboarders to believing that He is at least ultimately responsible for all the good friends and benefits that have come to me and them from skateboarding....especially since that is what the Bible says:

(James 1:16-21 NASB) Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. {17} Every good thing bestowed and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation, or shifting shadow. {18} In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we might be, as it were, the first fruits among His creatures. {19} This you know, my beloved brethren. But let everyone be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; {20} for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God. {21} Therefore putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your souls.

My friends are the most important thing in my world...besides my family and my God....and since I believe the object of my God's love and care is the people in my world, I care about them even more. A lot of my friends have real difficult lives. I pray for them a lot and I do every thing I can to help them and thier families. I want the best for them and I want them to be happy and have fun.

Why do I believe there is a God, and why do I believe the Bible is His word? That amazes me as much as it does some of you guys that don't believe. Based on what I used to believe and my journey through philosophy, logic and psychology...it's got to have been a miracle...a supernatural event. I remember when it happend...I will never forget the sense of peace that came over me when I submitted my life to God's destiny for me. Yeah...the Bible says that my belief is a miracle...and I believe it...

(Eph 2:8-10 NASB) For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; {9} not as a result of works, that no one should boast. {10} For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.



(1 Cor 2:4-5 NASB) And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, {5} that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

thanks Glidenhi, you've helped me get my point across, and i didn't mean for this post to be a debate, i just was interested on why other people skate, so, then arejayismyname gave me a bad rep b/c i bad reped him b/c of his post, so i think i'm gonna have and admin delete this post, sorry guys, but it's getting out of hand

Thanks

tyler

Thanks for starting the thread, Tyler. It is a good Idea, and you have a large amount of courage in your faith and convictions. I'm happy you are a Christian and that your skateboarding is fun and fulfilling. Don't give up too easily on this thread or on the people that have questioned your faith. I know one of them well. I respect him and care about him big time....he's going to be a Christian some day.....isn't that right, sk....LOL!!! Anyway, three people have done what you wanted and maybe more will.

I expect when you came to the cafe and looked it over you thought this was a part of the forum where you could discuss your beliefs about God and your experiences with God with other Christians, without being asked to defend your faith. That was a logical assumption, but there is no place like that on the cafe. You don't have to respond to thier challenges if you don't want to.

...later.....

I'm suddenly awful confused. Not only because this argument has exploded since I last tried to end it, but because one of my posts seems to have disappeared, and the post it was replying to has been edited. Guh?

fidolo - Do NOT post posts such as the one I had to delete from you above.

Minihub - Some of the posts you and the other guy made were spam (something about learning new tricks or something). I had to delete them as such, the edit came from what started the spam ("so what new tricks do you want to learn").

The thread is a thread in the Christian section, and you must accept if the topic will change at times.

And, last, I recommend Shorty's_Kid and arejayismyname read 'Miracles' by C.S. Lewis.

you guys dont understand, i beleive in god.
i just dont beleive that he does and pays attention to such little things as skateboarding.
just because something good happened to you doesnt mean you have to give god all the credit

god gets the credit 4 everything in my life, he created me, so, he gets credit for everything, so, god does not sit back and just watch us, he cares about us, and loves us, so he does do things in our everyday lives

Tyler

you guys dont understand, i beleive in god.
i just dont beleive that he does and pays attention to such little things as skateboarding.
just because something good happened to you doesnt mean you have to give god all the credit

It's not that he pays attention to little things like skateboarding, it's that he gives everyone something that makes them happy, which may happen to be skateboarding.

I partly agree with your second paragraph. Whenever I land a new trick, I don't instantly say "thank God, you finally let me!". I know how much time I put in to it, but I know I couldn't have been able had trees never been made.

That is just an example, but I think you can see the idea behind it.

god gets the credit 4 everything in my life, he created me, so, he gets credit for everything, so, god does not sit back and just watch us, he cares about us, and loves us, so he does do things in our everyday lives

Tyler
That's even further proof that christians give God credit for things he had nothing to do with. God did not create you, your parents had sex, THAT'S what created you. I think it's time somebody is told about the birds and the bees.

;)

That's even further proof that christians give God credit for things he had nothing to do with. God did not create you, your parents had sex, THAT'S what created you. I think it's time somebody is told about the birds and the bees.

;)


"Definitely.......not Biblical."
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That's even further proof that christians give God credit for things he had nothing to do with. God did not create you, your parents had sex, THAT'S what created you. I think it's time somebody is told about the birds and the bees.

;)


who the hell do you think made your parents reproductive organs to have sex and birth you smarts?

I partly agree with your second paragraph. Whenever I land a new trick, I don't instantly say "thank God, you finally let me!". I know how much time I put in to it, but I know I couldn't have been able had trees never been made.

That is just an example, but I think you can see the idea behind it.

I know what you mean. Not every little thing that happens in life is God fiddling with fate, but if you look you can trace it back.

Hey, I was born in Kalamazoo!

Oh that's alright...I just wanted to point out that science and 'fact' have no room for miracles.

It's not a miracle, the fact is the doctor's were wrong, they don't know everything.

^^Read Miracles by C.S. Lewis.

yeah, hey dude, how do you know if the doctors were wrong, they wouldn't lie like that, which means that GOD did it, so hey, you don't know, so stop talking like you do

Tyler

so hey, you don't know, so stop talking like you do

Tyler

None of us know, that's part of the nature of miracles as I see them.

wow, I hate seeing a good thread go in the wrong direction.
But, i feel like skating was semi influenced in me by god. Like someone said before, i dont say thanks god for finally letting me land the trick. But i feel that me riding a skateboard traces back to the person who invented the skateboard. With this tool (our boards) we are led away from bad decisions. Skateboarding has put many people on a better path in life. I feel that was definitely influenced by god. im not gonna say i was heading in a bad direction when i found skating, because i wasnt, being at a private school has sheltered me from a lot of the real world. But talking to some of the people ive skated with, their life was going nowhere fast, and having something to occupy their time instead of finding rebelious things to do, helped out a lot. AND AS U ALL KNOW, IM NOT A GREAT SKATER, but i still have talked to people at parks, because i just like to ride. Did god totally have to do with my skating, no, but he definately played some part.

yeah, hey dude, how do you know if the doctors were wrong, they wouldn't lie like that, which means that GOD did it, so hey, you don't know, so stop talking like you do

Tyler

Yes it must mean that GOD did it. I love the way you think man. so naive.

1. That isn't a miracle. People get diagnosed wrong all the time.

2. be quiet.

yeah, hey dude, how do you know if the doctors were wrong, they wouldn't lie like that, which means that GOD did it, so hey, you don't know, so stop talking like you do

Tyler

Theres a big diference between getting something wrong, and lying.

Is it lying if i get a question wrong in my maths exam?

Doctors cannot always be right and sometimes people pull through when it is very unlikely. That's a fact. Whether God did it can not be proven.

But anyway glad skating has been good for you, and people aren't dying.

hey, Paul J, um, now, who's the one that posted this post, UM.........ME!!!! so hey, don't be telling me to be quiet, but hey, i'm sorry about calling the doctors liar's, i misspoke, i meant something like they were mistaking, very badly, so i'm sorry for being mistaken. but i have a right to post, first of all, this is a forum, and second of all, I POSTED THIS THREAD!!!!! my gosh, i'm just gonna have an admin delete this thread, i'm sick of people arguing w/ others about if god did anything in their life, GOD IS IN MY LIFE AND I KNOW IT!!!!!! and skating is how he got me to stop my bad habits, so this thread is going to be deleted

Tyler

hey, Paul J, um, now, who's the one that posted this post, UM.........ME!!!! so hey, don't be telling me to be quiet, but hey, i'm sorry about calling the doctors liar's, i misspoke, i meant something like they were mistaking, very badly, so i'm sorry for being mistaken. but i have a right to post, first of all, this is a forum, and second of all, I POSTED THIS THREAD!!!!! my gosh, i'm just gonna have an admin delete this thread, i'm sick of people arguing w/ others about if god did anything in their life, GOD IS IN MY LIFE AND I KNOW IT!!!!!! and skating is how he got me to stop my bad habits, so this thread is going to be deleted

Tyler

How can you say god is in your life? what makes you think that? I apologise If god has spoken to you in person.

Seeing as you are using the whole "I don't make my own decisions, god made me start skating" then I'm just gonna say that god made me type this post.

who the hell do you think made your parents reproductive organs to have sex and birth you smarts?
They produced such organs whilst they were in their mother's womb.

And what exactly does "You smarts" mean?
yeah, hey dude, how do you know if the doctors were wrong, they wouldn't lie like that, which means that GOD did it, so hey, you don't know, so stop talking like you do
Seriously, kid? Just because the doctors made a mistake, God did it?

My BISHOP thinks God is less involved than you guys do.

yeah, i apoligized about the lying thing, i was mistaken, but i believe that god put skating in my life to help me be in control, and it did help me, so, god did not come and talk 2 me, but it would be cool if he did, but i believe that he did put skating in my life 2 help me. So, i'm sorry 4 offending anyone, but i believe i started skating b/c of god

Tyler

Lol. You have a friend named "Chauncey."

yeah, kind of a unique name, hu? i thought it was a very interesting name 2 when i met him. but he is one of my best friends ever, but he has changed my life, and god changed me through him, and he's the cheese on my big mac, (Juno Line). LOL, but yeah, i believe that god put him in my life, b/c he has changed my life through skating, if you guys knew how much crap I've been through in the last year, being kicked out of 2 schools, and all the stress and how many friends I've lost during that time period, you would see why skating helps, i would be in a juvenile home right now if it wasn't for skating, it has kept me out of trouble countless times, like the time one of my skater friends went and smoked pot, which i might add i find disgusting, but then they got caught by the police, and i was off skating, just as an example, but other examples are out there, but i believe god loves me and wants to protect me

Tyler