Do you consider him Black Metal? Well I don't. If you look at his Encyclopaedia Metallum profile it says his genre is Black Metal, but below that it say his Lyrical Themes are suicide, astral projections, despair, and depression. Maybe scratch suicide and you'll see that those have nothing to do with BM. In my opinion he's a phony, he says that he hates the internet and yet he has two Myspace profiles, he says that he's depressed, hates life, and doesn't understand the way people think life should operate and yet he comes home to a wife and kids everday. He puts on a stupid role that he thinks every BM musician should put on to appear badass or scare people, well that's not true, it's all about the music. He has also said that he's lost friends because he decided to make BM. So apparently he doesn't follow the tradition of BM because he worried about what people will think. If you care and you're dedicated it doesn't matter. Because just like I said, it's all about the music, but in this case i'll scratch music and say lyrics. In my opinion the lyrics make the music, not the notes. His lyrics and notes aren't on the same page. And I think it's wrong how he gets away using those themes with BM. All these things I said are just opinions. So don't jump on me if you're a fan of him. I just wanted to get it off my chest.

who cares wether or not its black metal? if you like it then listen to it, if not, then dont.
And the myspace profiles arent actually his

but i do agree with what you said about the wife thing. I dont like when guys like him try to convince people that they live in some castle in the middle of nowhere or something. Its obvious to everyone that the music can still be sincere with its emotions even if the artist lives a 'normal' life. I dont see any harm in the artist admiting that. That's why I like Darkthrone, Fenriz doesnt care about the "showbiz" side of music, but he also doesnt care about the "I need to be the most kvlt" side either.

Although Nocturno really does live in the woods, so he's not lying

Well I care about it to a point where I think every artist should stick with what it is and was meant to be, not change it around to fit their emotions. In my opinion there's no emotion in BM. I consider BM something that's supposed to be creative, original, and even different. I think you supposed to have a good imagination to be a BM musician, and that's why I like bands like Burzum and Cradle of Filth so much because their imaginations. Also because the lyrics go with the music. And you're right about the normal life part, there is no harm in it. But Xasthur makes it like there is, like it will ruin his reputation. He actually refuses to talk about his personal life in interviews, if I was a BM musician I wouldn't mind. Because you go on the stage and get off the stage, he's always on the stage.

Well I care about it to a point where I think every artist should stick with what it is and was meant to be, not change it around to fit their emotions. In my opinion there's no emotion in BM. I consider BM something that's supposed to be creative, original, and even different. I think you supposed to have a good imagination to be a BM musician, and that's why I like bands like Burzum and Cradle of Filth so much because their imaginations. Also because the lyrics go with the music. And you're right about the normal life part, there is no harm in it. But Xasthur makes it like there is, like it will ruin his reputation. He actually refuses to talk about his personal life in interviews, if I was a BM musician I wouldn't mind. Because you go on the stage and get off the stage, he's always on the stage.


So you say Xasthur isn't black metal, because of his lifestyle. Then you call Cradle of filth black metal?

Xasthur is atmospherical black metal. His themes may be dark, but that doesn't mean he has to live the life he claims in order to be in with a certain musical genre.

Cradle of filth are symphonic metal with small black-metal elements. Their first 2 demos were more black-metal then anything they have put out in the last 5 years. Cradle of flith don't really live the life their lyrics explain either.

Xasthur's myspaces are phony. Not himself or previous band members.

You my friend may make a good point, but have your facts mixed.

Well I care about it to a point where I think every artist should stick with what it is and was meant to be, not change it around to fit their emotions. In my opinion there's no emotion in BM. I consider BM something that's supposed to be creative, original, and even different. I think you supposed to have a good imagination to be a BM musician, and that's why I like bands like Burzum and Cradle of Filth so much because their imaginations. Also because the lyrics go with the music. And you're right about the normal life part, there is no harm in it. But Xasthur makes it like there is, like it will ruin his reputation. He actually refuses to talk about his personal life in interviews, if I was a BM musician I wouldn't mind. Because you go on the stage and get off the stage, he's always on the stage.

100% contradiction right there

you're saying artists shouldnt make music that is personal to them, they should just make music that sounds like all the other bm bands

Thats why i dont like all the genre titles and everything. People should just make the music they want to, not say "this isnt black metal enough!"

You said they shouldnt change it around to fit their emotions? well thats almost exactly how the second wave started.

Real BM wasnt about specifically having blast beats and low production, it was about the meaning and feelings of the artists. It just so happened that the production and style of the music fit with what bands like Darkthrone and Mayhem were trying do.

Thats why I like bands like Drudkh, they dont worry about wether or not their music is enough like 'black metal', they just make music based on what they feel.

And i also understand why Malefic refuses to talk about his personal life, it has nothing to do with the music. I just think that he shouldnt try to hide the fact that he has a personal life

100% contradiction right there

you're saying artists shouldnt make music that is personal to them, they should just make music that sounds like all the other bm bands

Thats why i dont like all the genre titles and everything. People should just make the music they want to, not say "this isnt black metal enough!"

You said they shouldnt change it around to fit their emotions? well thats almost exactly how the second wave started.

Real BM wasnt about specifically having blast beats and low production, it was about the meaning and feelings of the artists. It just so happened that the production and style of the music fit with what bands like Darkthrone and Mayhem were trying do.

Thats why I like bands like Drudkh, they dont worry about wether or not their music is enough like 'black metal', they just make music based on what they feel.

And i also understand why Malefic refuses to talk about his personal life, it has nothing to do with the music. I just think that he shouldnt try to hide the fact that he has a personal lifeI'm not saying artists shouldn't make music that's personal, what i'm saying is is that I think he doesn't have the same mentality as other BM bands. Because when I first started listening to his music I liked it, but then I just lost my interest, I thought something was missing, I thought he was hiding something, like he had feelings he didn't want to express in his music because he worried about what people would think.

I'm not saying artists shouldn't make music that's personal, what i'm saying is is that I think he doesn't have the same mentality as other BM bands. Because when I first started listening to his music I liked it, but then I just lost my interest, I thought something was missing, I thought he was hiding something, like he had feelings he didn't want to express in his music because he worried about what people would think.

To be honest he doesn't care about what people think, if he did then he Im pretty sure he wouldn't be doing black metal, but if you think he doesn't have the same "mentality" then other black metal bands then your wrong noone in black metal is how they appear.

Varg killed Euronymous and he said he was getting rid of him cause he was a fake. When he was questioned in court and by police he said that Euro attacked him and he went to his house to get out of his contract with Euro's record label. Now he claims he doesn't care if hes in jail while in 2000 he tried to escape. How is he different then Xasthur?

Euronymous said that "yeah we burned that church" when in fact he never did. He claimed to be evil when in fact he wasn't, Varg and others told him that its better to spill your seman in the anus then let it touch the ground, seeing that the anus is full of ****. Later Varg and friends found a dildo with **** stains on it. He claimed to be evil and didn't care about life, when Varg was stabbing him in the back with a knife Euro was running in his apartment complex screaming for help and knocking on doors for poeple to help him. How is he different from Xasthur

I could go on and list other "black metal" people that aren't like how they are when the corpse paint or their stage name is what they go on or known by. But come on music is just music its something to enjoy and not care what their really like! Many musicians hate their music but they cover it up, black metal is really full of those people. Also I'll tell you I met most of the people in Dimmu Borgir, their like Xasthur.