Do you think all men are created equal?
Do you think all weman are created equal?
Do you think men and weman are equal twored each other?

No, every race and gender has its advantages and disadvantages. Mentally and physically. But one race or gender isn't above the other.

If you want Christians only then post in the Christian section.

Do you think all men are created equal?
Do you think all weman are created equal?
Do you think men and weman are equal twored each other?

Never heard of a weman but hopefully it has a decent spelling ability.

If you want Christians only then post in the Christian section.



Never heard of a weman but hopefully it has a decent spelling ability.

I didnt even notice that, haha who misspells women?

Instead of debating why not let the Bible speak for itself? Including some Old Testament AND New Testament verses.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 11:7-9
7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1 Corinthians 11:15-16
15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

If the head of women is men and the head of men is the head of Christ...that just means that the head of men and women represent the same thing.

^No, it means that its God>Christ>Men>Woman

That's what god thought
And nobody is the same really.

^Not really. God doesn't think anyone is above anyone else ("all are one in Christ"). It's that men are typically the ones that will think something through before making a decision, thus making better leaders. It isn't really a gender role but is a fact. Not for everyone mind you.

Plus the man NEEDED the woman. So it's not like we're sulf-sustaining and women aren't important.

Did those verses imply that men can't have long hair?

Well, Tyler Self, Looks like me and you will be skating together in hell if that's the case. hahahaha.

Ok but now I'm wondering what about animals and insects???
Like some species are like opposite of humans.
Some spiders the female is huge and the male is tiny and has to suicide to mate with the female.

Just to elaborate on razz's "let the Bible speak for itself" response:

1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

First of all, please don't get offended by my questions/comments. :icon_wink I am not trying to mock anyone's religious views. I am, however, confused and rather curious as to why this biblical verse seems to be unanimously overlooked by the Christian community.

Logic 101 (Let's simply analyze this verse.)
-Men can speak in church. (It doesn't directly state this, but it is clearly implied.)
-Women cannot speak in church. (Clearly stated.)
-Men > Women (Conclusion. Because giving one group a certain privilege and not giving it to another is demeaning.)

So, how come there are female preachers?...Female churchgoers who sing are speaking as well, what about that? Is that not an outright disobedience? The above verse is in the New Testament, so please no "that was when we were under the law before Christ redeemed us" responses. Thank you, your response(s) will be greatly appreciated. :)

Did those verses imply that men can't have long hair?

Well, Tyler Self, Looks like me and you will be skating together in hell if that's the case. hahahaha.

Nah man. When reading Paul's stuff, you have to be careful about what is a commandment and what is a recommendation. The long hair was a recommendation for the time, because there were MANY male prostitutes in Corinth, and a sign that you were a male prostitute was that you had long hair.

Do you think men and weman are equal twored each other?


Weeman is far superior

http://regretfulmorning.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/weeman.jpg

^Not really. God doesn't think anyone is above anyone else ("all are one in Christ"). It's that men are typically the ones that will think something through before making a decision, thus making better leaders. It isn't really a gender role but is a fact. Not for everyone mind you.

Plus the man NEEDED the woman. So it's not like we're sulf-sustaining and women aren't important.

What the hell are you talking about? Why do you get to add all this crap to the verse as if you have authority over anyone else?

Where does it say that the verse actually means that "men are typically the ones that will think something through before making a decision" - and what's the reason given?

Why are they the better leaders?

And where did you get the idea that "It isn't really a gender role but is a fact" ?

What the hell are you talking about? Why do you get to add all this crap to the verse as if you have authority over anyone else?

Where does it say that the verse actually means that "men are typically the ones that will think something through before making a decision" - and what's the reason given?

Why are they the better leaders?

And where did you get the idea that "It isn't really a gender role but is a fact" ?

I'm not adding anything to a verse. I'm trying to explain why the verse says this.

It says men should lead, and the only reason is that men are better leaders. You know what kind of emotional trainwreck a woman can be..

What I meant by gender role is that we don't raise them to be that way, they just are.

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It says men should lead, and the only reason is that men are better leaders. You know what kind of emotional trainwreck a woman can be..
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I would not advise repeating this to your girlfriend...

Actually she'd agree with me, from her personal experiences.

Even I have to agree with Tyler on this one. Women becomes seriously emotional in tight situations. Obviously they can be leaders but it requires far more from them than from a man.

Nah man. When reading Paul's stuff, you have to be careful about what is a commandment and what is a recommendation. The long hair was a recommendation for the time, because there were MANY male prostitutes in Corinth, and a sign that you were a male prostitute was that you had long hair.
Damn.

I was looking forward to doing caspers in pits of fire with you. hahaha.

Damn.

I was looking forward to doing caspers in pits of fire with you. hahaha.

We can both do that at your house someday...;)

^But will we be able to play satan in S-K-A-T-E?

I think not, mister.

<3

I'm not adding anything to a verse. I'm trying to explain why the verse says this.

It says men should lead, and the only reason is that men are better leaders. You know what kind of emotional trainwreck a woman can be..

What I meant by gender role is that we don't raise them to be that way, they just are.

Kind of a generalization isn't it? I think I'd make a great leader. Everywhere I go people follow, lol. Just kidding, of course. :) On a serious note, I believe I'm just as capable of being a leader as any guy is. Call me delusional, if you wish, but I know what I'm capable of. I don't need a book to tell me where/when I can and cannot speak. If I wanted that type of dictatorship running my life I'd raid the self-help book section at Borders, thank you very much. :icon_wink

Kind of a generalization isn't it? I think I'd make a great leader. Everywhere I go people follow, lol. Just kidding, of course. :) On a serious note, I believe I'm just as capable of being a leader as any guy is. Call me delusional, if you wish, but I know what I'm capable of. I don't need a book to tell me where/when I can and cannot speak. If I wanted that type of dictatorship running my life I'd raid the self-help book section at Borders, thank you very much. :icon_wink

I really tried to avoid any generalization in the post before that. I said "it's not true for all."

I know a few women who make excellent leaders. But remember, this is leading in marriage, not things in general.

Leadership is a quality which is randomly distributed, much like intellect. It might be more common for a man to display leadership qualities, but it would be stupid to think that a woman can't also be an effective leader. Not all men are great leaders, and not all women are "emotional trainwrecks." One could find a whole lot of men who don't measure up on the leadership level of, say, Oprah Winfrey or Hillary Clinton or Condoleeza Rice. Want to compare resumes, fellas? These ladies aren't fooling around, agree or disagree with their politics.

I do think there is something to be said for respecting the differences between men and women, and understanding the balance that exists for the common good. Men and women joined in a family structure are better leaders together than separately. Men and women gain strength from each other by supporting each other, and making up for each other's weaknesses. It's a symbiotic relationship. There are things which most men do better than most women, and things which most women do better than most men--and that's a good thing.

Leadership is a quality which is randomly distributed, much like intellect..

I know a lot of girls who make better grades than I do, but did you know men have billions of more brain cells than women?

It might be more common for a man to display leadership qualities, but it would be stupid to think that a woman can't also be an effective leader. Not all men are great leaders, and not all women are "emotional trainwrecks." One could find a whole lot of men who don't measure up on the leadership level of, say, Oprah Winfrey or Hillary Clinton or Condoleeza Rice. Want to compare resumes, fellas? These ladies aren't fooling around, agree or disagree with their politics.

I agree with the above. But can I ask, are the women you listed (excluding Rice, I don't really know who she is) only 'leaders' because they have a lot of money?

I know a lot of girls who make better grades than I do, but did you know men have billions of more brain cells than women?

Have? The question now is, do they utilize those brain cells or do they just take up space? ;)

Whether it be in general or in a marital sense, it's still sketchy to claim that a woman is less equipped to lead than a man is. However, is it more acceptable for a man to lead? Sure. But, what exactly is that based on? Gender roles that have restricted our autonomy, I suppose. Our hands are somewhat tied, if we act in such a way that goes against our assigned gender role we're viewed as socially deviant. So, now women may have an incentive to give way to men-as to not stir up any conflict. Then there are always some risk takers, like me. :icon_yes:

I know plenty of guys who are dumb as a box of dirt, and I've met quite a few women who are downright brilliant. I don't know about braincells, but the vast majority of both men and women are not all that sharp. Higher intelligence is shared by few.

Google up some biographies for those three ladies. They've earned their money playing hardball with the big boys. I've got nothing against Oprah and don't really care for Hillary or Condi, but we're talking about three fairly undeniable female leaders. Their success is measured by more than just dollars, much of that success must be attributed to proven reputations earned among their peers and wise decisions made along the way.

Have? The question now is, do they utilize those brain cells or do they just take up space? ;)

LOL, every woman I have EVER mentioned that to responded with that. :D

Noj, we are in agreement. I see what you were saying now.

I really tried to avoid any generalization in the post before that. I said "it's not true for all."

I know a few women who make excellent leaders. But remember, this is leading in marriage, not things in general.

So you believe that men are presumed to be the leaders in marriage? And I find it funny that you're trying to justify it by "brain cells" as if that's the reason God gave (amazingly enough the Bible refuses to mention this).

Then again...

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

ahh, nothing like a women asking her husband for permission to speak...then again he has more brain cells, so clearly he's entitled. After all, everyone is created equal...well, no, wait...in the eyes of Yahweh, this isn't the case.

So you believe that men are presumed to be the leaders in marriage? And I find it funny that you're trying to justify it by "brain cells" as if that's the reason God gave (amazingly enough the Bible refuses to mention this).

Then again...

Then again....that was a joke. I really think everyone including Madison got that except you.

ahh, nothing like a women asking her husband for permission to speak...then again he has more brain cells, so clearly he's entitled. After all, everyone is created equal...well, no, wait...in the eyes of Yahweh, this isn't the case.

I like how you ruin a little fun. I actually explained the verse to you before. Remember?

Here's another wrinkle: My parents are pretty much co-leaders in my family. Not to knock my father, because he's no dummy, but my mother is scary intelligent. Together, they have over-achieved greatly and provided far more than most could have with the tough start they had. If I had a moral question I'd go to Dad, but Mom would get the question about higher mathematics or any academic subject.

Then again....that was a joke. I really think everyone including Madison got that except you.

Every post you make I consider a joke

I like how you ruin a little fun. I actually explained the verse to you before. Remember?

awwwwww :icon_frow

And Yes, I do remember! Just like you answered this question of mine, right?
http://www.skaterscafe.com/showthread.php?p=995628#post995628

Right?

Every post you make I consider a joke

Oh you're nice..

awwwwww :icon_frow

And Yes, I do remember! Just like you answered this question of mine, right?
http://www.skaterscafe.com/showthread.php?p=995628#post995628

Right?

Yes just like I answered your question there, but you missed that too.

I explained the verse about women to an individual not 20 minutes ago through PM. They understood it fine. Which I really wonder at...is it that I am not explaining it, or is it the individual.

Here's another wrinkle: My parents are pretty much co-leaders in my family. Not to knock my father, because he's no dummy, but my mother is scary intelligent. Together, they have over-achieved greatly and provided far more than most could have with the tough start they had. If I had a moral question I'd go to Dad, but Mom would get the question about higher mathematics or any academic subject.

My mom is in charge of our house, my dad's scared of her. It's really frightening, please kill me.

Yes just like I answered your question there, but you missed that too.

You answered the Question about Ahmed and Joshua? Did you really?

Sure you don't wanna get your eyes checked?

I explained the verse about women to an individual not 20 minutes ago through PM. They understood it fine. Which I really wonder at...is it that I am not explaining it, or is it the individual.

It's not really a matter of "an answer" as much as it is a "satisfactory answer"

But I'll be honest here, I'm not really looking for your input or answers....I already know the answers, I just like to see how people dance around them.

For example, if I asked something hypothetical like:

"Hey Tyler, Biblical math says 1 + 1 = 12, how so"

** Deep down I know why it says that, because it was written by a bunch of schizophrenics, however it's very interesting to hear your replies, something such as:

Tyler: "First off razz, stop offending me. Second off, I already explained this in that one thread with that one person. And third of, the 1 represents a whole digit, which happens to be 9 in this case. Now, I don't know where I got 9 from, nor does the Bible ever mention this nine (**cough brain cells) however it will be the only suitable answer because I'll defend the Bible at all costs. The other 1 in that question must be a 3, because, 9 + 3 = 12, just as the Bible says. OMG isn't this obvious razz?"

1 + 1 = 12 because if you line the single digit numbers up backwards the 1st number will be 9.

But there is another 1 there! AHA this is where the trick comes in. 1 third out of 9 is 3!

LOGIC HELLO???

McCrank is correct. 1 + 1 = 12 is a true statement.

Have? The question now is, do they utilize those brain cells or do they just take up space? ;)

My older brother was talking to me about the intelligence comparison of men and women one time. He mentioned that he read about a study that showed it was generally equal between men and women with the exception being that generally those on the extreme sides of the spectrum, geniuses and people with mental retardation, are more often men than women. Kind of interesting.