now you may think its most logical to beleive there is no god, and nothing created the universe, i have beleived this before, but let me tell you it takes just as much "faith" if not more to beleive the universe is just a product of random chance. if you could spare twenty mins to watch this vide witch concearns the creation of the universe from both a religiouse(if u will) AND a SCIENTIFIC viewpoint, it could change ur life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP6ZiQ9oq94

watch with an open mind,- not from an athiest or religiouse viewpoint, but from that of a new born.

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Who says it came about by "random chance"? No one is saying that, I've never heard an Atheist say "yeah, it just happened and humans/trees/animals/etc appeared all together" - That's what stupid creationists want you to believe (hence why they're creationists).

I mean, why do you people have to be so dumb? It's the same stupid arguments repeated over & over & over & over. These arguments have been repeated a billion ways, they're all equally painful to listen to (eg: Hurricane sweeping through a junkyard and creating a Boeing 747, breaking a watch and shaking it in a box until it reconstructs itself, etc).

The argument is "how did everything get here" - the answer is no one knows. The way we know our Universe today, as it originated, has two theories. One is either came from simple beginnings (ie: Just as evolution did) or something intelligence was ALWAYS there. - Which makes more sense?

- Simple beginnings, slowly got more and more complicated
- One piece of intelligence just so happened to exist, happened to create a universe that's growing faster than the speed of light, decided to make a tiny little blue planet, then decided to make two human beings, decided to punish them for what, inevitably, an omniscient power like itself knew would occur. Then decided to come down as a human being, decided to then get nailed to cross to forgive our sins (as if he couldn't forgive them any other way). Who then decided to create several religions and decided to only send those who believe to everlasting paradise, and who also decides to send anyone who doesnt believe to eternal hellfire. Who then decides that he's going to come again, but doesnt say when....

Which "takes" more faith? And I don't care if you say "God was always there" - Just because you assert it that does not make it true.

btw: An Atheist doesnt necessarily have to believe in the big bang, evolution, etc. He just doesn't believe in supernatural fairy tales

now you may think its most logical to beleive there is no god, and nothing created the universe, i have beleived this before, but let me tell you it takes just as much "faith" if not more to beleive the universe is just a product of random chance. if you could spare twenty mins to watch this vide witch concearns the creation of the universe from both a religiouse(if u will) AND a SCIENTIFIC viewpoint, it could change ur life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP6ZiQ9oq94

watch with an open mind,- not from an athiest or religiouse viewpoint, but from that of a new born.

:icon_peac

If you want me to take 20 minuets to watch a video, please take at least a couple minuets to correct your spelling errors. I could barely read what you wrote.

never mind the spelling.

and razz, god did not create religion, man kind made that.

plus, the evolution theory is that life started from material, that material actually turned into a living thing all on its own/ and i was tlaking about the universe anyway, NOT living things. but the universe itself.

so razz, what do you beleive?

The most logical thing is to acknowledge that we have no idea how this all came to be, and understand that making a guess and putting all your faith into it doesn't make much sense.

im not making a guess, and yes, man can never understand how this universe was created, but we can seek what created it. its scientists who make constant guesses. there guesses are temporary, the words in the bible are eternal and were spoke not by man but by god, because the bible says things scientists didnt accept as fact untill recently - thousands of years ago.

I find it funny how creationist tell everyone what the "faith of an atheist" is when atheism is in fact a lack of faith in a higher deity there is no other faith than that. As for the video, it does put forth one solid proof of evidence of the existence of a higher deity. It's main arguments are there was a beginning with the big bang so God must have caused that. There is order in this universe so God must be keeping this order. There is life on Earth so God must caused that also. It supports these claims by picking and choosing random scriptures and quotes from scientists and twists them into a context that supports its belief.

im not making a guess, and yes, man can never understand how this universe was created, but we can seek what created it. its scientists who make constant guesses. there guesses are temporary, the words in the bible are eternal and were spoke not by man but by god, because the bible says things scientists didnt accept as fact untill recently - thousands of years ago.

Yes, because the Bible has just been rock solid with its story of the beginning with Adam and Eve. Scientist all around accept that as fact. Also if the Bible is the word of God why is it written by man?

the faith of an athiest, or rather evolutionist, is faith in man kinds knowledge, witch is silly because even the ones who come up with the theorys of evolution, even darwin himself, admit there are massive flaws, loose ends, millions of unanswerd questions, "yet to be found" fossils witch just get forgotten when being taught in schools, its a huministic religion, but people dont realize that, i posted this hoping to help some people.

^A misconception in your very first sentence, an atheist does not mean an evolutionist, just a lack of belief in a higher deity. Sure, there may be unanswered questions but it does not claim to answer all the questions. It is just another step in trying to better understand how we came to be rather than claiming to already know everything as religion does.

^A misconception in your very first sentence, an atheist does not mean an evolutionist, just a lack of belief in a higher deity. Sure, there may be unanswered questions but it does not claim to answer all the questions. It is just another step in trying to better understand how we came to be rather than claiming to already know everything as religion does.

in a higher diety, there for saying man is the highest, there for saying evolution (mans idea) is correct, pretty much, anyway watch the video. no more debates because we can go on for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and still not agree. lol.

^Again a misconception, an evolutionist does not mean someone does not believe in a god or higher deity, they just believe in the theory of evolution which does not have anything to do with whether or not a god exists it is a theory on how organisms evolved into their current state today through genetic variation and natural selection. The way you group evolution and atheism together makes it questionable of how much you really know on the two subjects.

As for the video, I watched and stated my opinion in post number seven.

^Again a misconception, an evolutionist does not mean someone does not believe in a god or higher deity, they just believe in the theory of evolution which does not have anything to do with whether or not a god exists it is a theory on how organisms evolved into their current state today through genetic variation and natural selection. The way you group evolution and atheism together makes it questionable of how much you really know on the two subjects.

As for the video, I watched and stated my opinion in post number seven.


i know a some what more than averadge amount on evolution, and i know, athiests have either no idea's or one they made up themselves.

im not trying to argue who is the most intelligent.

i just posted this to try and convert some souls.

edit; any one who knows anything knows natural selection is garbage.

^You're arguments are pathetic, what are your claims to back that "atheists have either no idea's or one they made up themselves"? Because I'm pretty sure the only thing atheism implies is a lack of belief in a higher deity.

I'm not trying to argue who is the most intelligent but merely pointing out that you obviously don't know as much about evolution if you think evolutionist are the same thing as atheist.

The fact that you posted this to convert people shows you don't take the subject with an open mind as you ask everyone else to do or you not really asking others to take this with an open mind but with a religious based one?

edit; any one who knows anything knows natural selection is garbage.

Care to elaborate on that one? Because from the way I see it, it is logical not garbage.

Dude, no one is going to take your threads seriously when you have that much neg rep. You end up coming off as a bigoted hypocrite.

Plus you connected Atheism with Evolutionism, when the two things are completely different.

This thread isn't even worth replying to any further than that.

no no, ur just miss understanding what im saying buddy.

anyway i posted this video for those who were open to it. if your not i guess i cant change that. i just hope god does.

^Really:

Taken from dictionary.com:

Atheist- a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Not people who "have either no idea's or one they made up themselves."

Another definition:

Evolutionist- a person who believes in or supports a theory of evolution, esp. in biology.

Doesn't sound to much like the atheist definition does it? So how are atheists and evolutionists as similar as you say?

You posted a video saying people should be open to this yet you are not yourself, you already have an opinion formed not based on solely what you saw in the video, that's what I would call hypocritical.

Also you haven't given any explanation to why natural selection is "garbage." Again care to elaborate?

ok, im not concearned about ebing right/wrong in the petty evolutionist/athiest debate.

^Or you are but just don't want to admit that you are wrong as you have failed to address the topics I brought up and seem to be trying to avoid answering them.

You call the argument petty yet you brought it about yourself by claiming evolutionist and atheists are essentially the same thing which I have shown they are not. Care to admit that you were wrong and actually back up certain claims you have made such as natural selection is "garbage"?

Wow, I'm not even trying to be mean...so please don't get offended, but you do know that you can use spell check before posting, right? It's cost free and highly effective, I swear. :icon_wink

the faith of an athiest, or rather evolutionist, is faith in man kinds knowledge, witch is silly because even the ones who come up with the theorys of evolution, even darwin himself, admit there are massive flaws, loose ends, millions of unanswerd questions, "yet to be found" fossils witch just get forgotten when being taught in schools, its a huministic religion, but people dont realize that, i posted this hoping to help some people.

there are probably more flaws, misconceptions, and loose ends in the bible than there are in the theory of evolution

I nearly punched out a wall and killed the first guy I saw in the street while reading big big big's posts.

What's great about real science is that it doesn't claim to know everything. It's a set of theories of our own knowledge so far.
The Bible is a collection of books handpicked by people in power. Many of the books telling stories about Jesus are written decades after and is hear say fairy tales.

im not making a guess, and yes, man can never understand how this universe was created, but we can seek what created it. its scientists who make constant guesses. there guesses are temporary, the words in the bible are eternal and were spoke not by man but by god, because the bible says things scientists didnt accept as fact untill recently - thousands of years ago.

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you say that scientists guess and religious people keep searching?

you just made my day.

Aaaaw, he got banned.

I was enjoying the show. I didn't think it was possible to stick your foot that far down your throat. Maybe he was double jointed? :biggrin:

i know a some what more than averadge amount on evolution.

but obviously your english scores weren't up to par...

but obviously your english scores weren't up to par...

something we can agree on. lol.

... god did not create religion, man kind made that...



THANK YOU! everything there is to religion is all stories, word of mouth for years and YEARS until some form of it was written down. how many times has the game telephone worked 100% perfectly to have the same story that was told the first time, be the same as it was written down at the end.

anyone who wants me to stop posting in these religion threads, just ask me to stop, but i read one and immediately got into a mood.

ok, im not concearned about ebing right/wrong in the petty evolutionist/athiest debate.
You should be, ebings are a very serious matter.