for any body who believes in god and christianity i think you should check this movie out. me being a christian had a huge test of faith as to what i saw in this video..the video also talks about the jfk bush connection and the illuminate.
check this out
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Zeitgeist has been posted so many times. Anyways, there was proven to be many errors in that video and things that weren't actually true.

The whole beginning is messed up. Because Jesus wasn't born on 24/25 December. It's true the winter solstice is then. But Jesus is born then because the Romans hijacked the pagan tradition of burning a log during the winter solstice. They hijacked it to get more people into the religion. More control, more power.

is this scary cuz if it is i dont wanna watch it right now

im not a big fan of religion, but im not gonna spend 2 hours watching that either.

ive posted this before... be critical with it, not everything is true, and a lot is exxagerated as far as i know.

yeah it is alot of bull it even says that the id cards r insposed to come out may 2008 and it is june 2008

XD!!!!

38:30: "...leading to such joyous (sarcastic) historical periods as... (DUM DUM DUMMMM... ominous voice) the *Dark Ages*." The "Dark Ages" was nothing more than a period of about 500 years preceding the early middle ages in which little to no Latin primary sources, documents, literature, or artwork has been found. Historians refer to the period as the dark ages because it's metaphorically a dark/shady area on the early European time line. Shows how concerned the creators of this video are with facts, huh?
"Dark Ages! Say, that sounds awful. Let's throw this in our sweet video somehow; I'm sure it was somehow related to Christianity."

Yeah there are a lot of these kind of videos both long and short and everyone are kinda contradicting each other. It's pretty funny.

no one tests my faith, the only one who can test my faith is god himself.

A friend of mine who is big anti-religion sent it to me, he was practically obsessed with the movie for some time. I watched it a while back tho, it was an interesting video. Some true and some false information. I would agree with the 9/11 incident and also the Illuminati stuff, but nothing else.

The most important part of the movie that probably gets glossed over by the viewers is the Illuminati. Look up former high ranking Illuminati cult member - John Todd. He left the group and became a Christian... a very very interesting testimony. After he released a ton of info exposing the Illuminati he went missing. Probably killed.

A friend of mine who is big anti-religion sent it to me, he was practically obsessed with the movie for some time. I watched it a while back tho, it was an interesting video. Some true and some false information. I would agree with the 9/11 incident and also the Illuminati stuff, but nothing else.

The most important part of the movie that probably gets glossed over by the viewers is the Illuminati. Look up former high ranking Illuminati cult member - John Todd. He left the group and became a Christian... a very very interesting testimony. After he released a ton of info exposing the Illuminati he went missing. Probably killed.

I recommend this documentary:

suseKsLEWKo

Let me know when you're done watching it, and tell me what you disagree with...

I stopped under 4 minutes, when he said the story of creation was merely symbolic... anyone can see the book of Genesis is written in a historical perspective.

He almost had me convinced he was a Christian.

I stopped under 4 minutes, when he said the story of creation was merely symbolic... anyone can see the book of Genesis is written in a historical perspective.

It's symbolic. How else would it have any base in reality?

I stopped under 4 minutes, when he said the story of creation was merely symbolic... anyone can see the book of Genesis is written in a historical perspective.

He almost had me convinced he was a Christian.

What on earth are you talking about?

Did you even listen to the man? He said it AFTER his studies in theology and that's the conclusion he came to. To quote him verbatim:"As I grew older I tried to hold on to that simple faith but my studies taught me that it wasn't going to be that simple. The stories of creation and the garden of Eden were more symbolic than literal"Where did he say "The story of creation was clearly ALL symbolic" and why didn't he say it before he came to conclusions of his life in theology?

Do you even wanna know why he came to that conclusion, it's because he did something you're not smart enough to do and that's question the faith and search for answers. You want to accept dogma, accept it, but just remember that "a mind is a terrible thing to waste"

"When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow."
-Anais Nin

ahhaaha, the zietgiest movie made me laugh when it said ... "are we supposed to beleive theres an invisible man in the sky?".... no.... god is not in the sky.... haha, it seemed so petty and childish.
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"When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow."
-Anais Nin

like people who blindly accept evolution.... a wise man once said to me , "im not talking about religion, im talking about jesus".... most compelling thing anyone has ever said to me.

^Yes, because there obviously no proof of evolution and people follow it blindly, Darwin was just making sh** up about the Galapagos. Christianity on the other hand has the Bible, which obviously has no contradictions and has the most credibility in the world.

^Yes, because there obviously no proof of evolution and people follow it blindly, Darwin was just making sh** up about the Galapagos. Christianity on the other hand has the Bible, which obviously has no contradictions and has the most credibility in the world.

galapagos??...HAHAH, man everyone knows the galapagos is adaption, darwin didnt quite realize that though, but people do now, some people still BLINDLY beleive the galapgos to be proof, but any academic or just logical person KNOWS its not proof, its adaptio, NOT evolution, plus darwin was expecting fossils to be found to back up his theory, but still to this day those fossils are unfound, he even said himself, it was HIS THEORY, not a universal FACT.

he thought it was proof of evolution because the had different sized beaks.

if you put humans under a four foot roof for long enough they will start only growing to four foot, does that mean they are a different species? no, there still human.

galapagos??...HAHAH, man everyone knows the galapagos is adaption, darwin didnt quite realize that though, but people do now, some people still BLINDLY beleive the galapgos to be proof, but any academic or just logical person KNOWS its not proof, its adaptio, NOT evolution, plus darwin was expecting fossils to be found to back up his theory, but still to this day those fossils are unfound, he even said himself, it was HIS THEORY, not a frickin universal FACT. and that last part was correct what you said about the bible.. thanks.


You are an idiot. How much do you really think you know about evolution? Adaption is part of evolution yet you probably think that animals magically adapt when they need to. The way a species adapts is there is variations their DNA and the ones that survive and reproduce are the ones that have genes that make them better fit to survive and thus those genes survive and are passed on. Over millions of years there are splits in DNA and different species are formed. What makes the Galapagos relevant to this is that it had many species that were seen over the world but with many traits not seen in the ones outside of the Galapagos. Why is this? The Galapagos had a different setting than other places around the world where recessive traits make the species better fit to survive causing them to survive.

As for your thing on theories not being fact, you obviously know nothing about science then. Theories are built on facts that point evidence towards the theory and there can be no contradicting evidence to the theory. Gravity is only a theory, do you not believe in that or would say "intelligent falling" suffice for you better.

No contradictions eh? Please, explain all these then:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

You are an idiot. How much do you really think you know about evolution? Adaption is part of evolution yet you probably think that animals magically adapt when they need to. The way a species adapts is there is variations their DNA and the ones that survive and reproduce are the ones that have genes that make them better fit to survive and thus those genes survive and are passed on. Over millions of years there are splits in DNA and different species are formed. What makes the Galapagos relevant to this is that it had many species that were seen over the world but with many traits not seen in the ones outside of the Galapagos. Why is this? The Galapagos had a different setting than other places around the world where recessive traits make the species better fit to survive causing them to survive.

As for your thing on theories not being fact, you obviously know nothing about science then. Theories are built on facts that point evidence towards the theory and there can be no contradicting evidence to the theory. Gravity is only a theory, do you not believe in that or would say "intelligent falling" suffice for you better.

No contradictions eh? Please, explain all these then:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html


gravity... that is a fact. prooven with no contradictions.

evolution is a theory, with many flaws.

THE GALAPAGOS: iv noticed in the U.S science class or w/e is using the galapagos as a prime example of evolution.. i find this to be insanity as any academic will tell your science teacher what you see on that island is an example of adaption.
adaption is not evolution, look at it like this...we have dark skinned people because there ancestors lived in places with more sun, now look how there skin changed because of the enviroment... but wait...there still very much human, there not a different speices.



if i missed soemthing ask me again and make it clear, anything else you want me to explain?

^You idiot, did you even read what I posted? Hell, you didn't even address the contradictions I posted on the Bible.

Gravity- Theory, tell me where is the proof of it?

Evolution- You make all this talk about the "flaws" yet you never care to tell anyone what they are.

The Galapagos- Adaption comes from evolution! Animals don't just magically adapt because it would make them better fit to survive. Natural selection and genetic variation cause it.

As for there being variation among humans yet there not different species?!? There has to be a significant difference between the two, if you were to declare anything slightly different a new species that would be ridiculous. There needs to be differences among species otherwise a single disease could kill us all.

^You idiot, did you even read what I posted? Hell, you didn't even address the contradictions I posted on the Bible.

Gravity- Theory, tell me where is the proof of it?

Evolution- You make all this talk about the "flaws" yet you never care to tell anyone what they are.

The Galapagos- Adaption comes from evolution! Animals don't just magically adapt because it would make them better fit to survive. Natural selection and genetic variation cause it.

As for there being variation among humans yet there not different species?!? There has to be a significant difference between the two, if you were to declare anything slightly different a new species that would be ridiculous. There needs to be differences among species otherwise a single disease could kill us all.



ok, what contradictions of the bible are you talking about

(the evolution debate seems to be some what of a loss, we aint gunna agree, lol)

but natural selection is not really important. it has sever mathmatical flaws and most scientists and evultionists dont even concider it anymore.

The link I provided before, it's in your quote three posts up. No, natural selection is important. Again, you say there are all these flaws yet fail to mention what they are, big surprise!

Now lets look at what you failed to address in my last post:

Gravity- Still saying that there is proof or were you wrong and don't want to admit it.

Evolutions- Still failed to mention any flaws, maybe you don't know of any?

The Galapagos and variation- Again, find out that you were wrong and afraid to admit it?

game over son. game over. just let me see these contradictions in your own words please fella. i pointed out flaws in my science class thread.

Here:
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...adictions.html

Was it to hard to follow the directions in my last post which you still failed to address the topics at hand. Pathetic.

^ no no, i want the words to be your own.

Why to avoid addressing the topic at hand? Here are some things that never quite made sense to me in the Bible:

Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? I get that the people were sinners, the angels couldn't find 10 decent people in the cities and all that but didn't the people, with the free will that God gave them, have the right to sin with judgment to be reserved without God interfering? Also how is it free will if God interferes?

That also brings up another topic I didn't get, how could create the Earth, take interaction in while still staying outside of time? If God created the Earth that means ate some point in his/her existence there would have to be a point for God before the was the Earth and after there was the Earth or before He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah and after he destroyed them? With that in mind it would be logical to conclude He would have to be inside time, with that in mind other logical conclusion could be drawn such as He could not be omnipresent if he is inside time because if He is inside time God would have to have a beginning and if He has a beginning then God could not have been present for what was before his beginning. I could go on with this argument but I'm tired of typing.

ok, to the second thing, witch is an easy one, im not claiming my mind can comprehend gods ways,(and thats kind of an answer to the first thing), the asnwer to the second thing is simple for me, he's god, humans lack the brain capacity to conceive his full power.

now the first one, what you should have talked about was the flood, when he whiped out the entire human race except one family, instead of mentioning one city, and quite simply, yes they had free will, but no where god says he wont destroy in judgment or anything of the sort, according to the bible, god owns everything, its like, (HERE COMES THE METAPHORE) you own a dog, you let it out in the street, giving it free will, but that dog attacks some one.. so it gets put down... (you understand im sure)

so those things are not contradictions, merely questions you had and i answerd.
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and to further note, where the father lives, there is no time, god made time, time is finate, meaning it has a beggining and an end, but god was the beggining and will exist for eternity. time however, will not.

ok, to the second thing, witch is an easy one, im not claiming my mind can comprehend gods ways,(and thats kind of an answer to the first thing), the asnwer to the second thing is simple for me, he's god, humans lack the brain capacity to conceive his full power.

now the first one, what you should have talked about was the flood, when he whiped out the entire human race except one family, instead of mentioning one city, and quite simply, yes they had free will, but no where god says he wont destroy in judgment or anything of the sort, according to the bible, god owns everything, its like, (HERE COMES THE METAPHORE) you own a dog, you let it out in the street, giving it free will, but that dog attacks some one.. so it gets put down... (you understand im sure)

so those things are not contradictions, merely questions you had and i answerd.
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and to further note, where the father lives, there is no time, god made time, time is finate, meaning it has a beggining and an end, but god was the beggining and will exist for eternity. time however, will not.

prove to me that time has a biginning and an end.
what was there before time began, and what will there be when time ends?

and to further note, where the father lives, there is no time, god made time, time is finate, meaning it has a beggining and an end, but god was the beggining and will exist for eternity. time however, will not.

How could God be "the beginning" if "beginning" is an element of time and God is outside of that element?

ok, to the second thing, witch is an easy one, im not claiming my mind can comprehend gods ways,(and thats kind of an answer to the first thing), the asnwer to the second thing is simple for me, he's god, humans lack the brain capacity to conceive his full power.

now the first one, what you should have talked about was the flood, when he whiped out the entire human race except one family, instead of mentioning one city, and quite simply, yes they had free will, but no where god says he wont destroy in judgment or anything of the sort, according to the bible, god owns everything, its like, (HERE COMES THE METAPHORE) you own a dog, you let it out in the street, giving it free will, but that dog attacks some one.. so it gets put down... (you understand im sure)

so those things are not contradictions, merely questions you had and i answerd.
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and to further note, where the father lives, there is no time, god made time, time is finate, meaning it has a beggining and an end, but god was the beggining and will exist for eternity. time however, will not.

Seriously, can you read? You seem to find one word in my post and go on an idiotic rant about it.

First, what you posted is called an analogy, not a metaphor. "God owns everything" There is your contradiction, can a slave be owned yet still free? No of course not, so what is it does God own us and were not free or are we free and not owned by God?

And the second topic you just completely ignored. If God is outside of time he would always have a present but that is impossible as he has interacted in this world which has time causing him to be in time. God can't be both in and outside of time it is a fallacy. If he created this Earth then there would have to be a point before God created the Earth, that's right before
, and a point after he created the Earth or God would just be stuck at the point which we know is not true as God had further interaction and again there would have to be a point before God had these interaction and after. These actions can't take place without a past, present, and future. Elements of time so tell me how is God outside of time?

Seriously, can you read? You seem to find one word in my post and go on an idiotic rant about it.

First, what you posted is called an analogy, not a metaphor. "God owns everything" There is your contradiction, can a slave be owned yet still free? No of course not, so what is it does God own us and were not free or are we free and not owned by God?

And the second topic you just completely ignored. If God is outside of time he would always have a present but that is impossible as he has interacted in this world which has time causing him to be in time. God can't be both in and outside of time it is a fallacy. If he created this Earth then there would have to be a point before God created the Earth, that's right before
, and a point after he created the Earth or God would just be stuck at the point which we know is not true as God had further interaction and again there would have to be a point before God had these interaction and after. These actions can't take place without a past, present, and future. Elements of time so tell me how is God outside of time?

its like your parents, they gave birth to you, they have the right to give you commands when they want, they also have the right to punish you for disobeying those commands, the answer was simple and answerd your question.

also we have the choice to be slaves or servants of god.

and i only need to skim over your paragraphs to get the point of what your saying and i only answer things worth answering, so the more relivent your statements are the more answers i will give.

^Then we have a choice, forced to choose, not free will. Again, I'd suggest you actually read my posts because again you ignored the argument I made on it is ridiculous to think God is outside of time. Answer the questions at hand.

no one tests my faith, the only one who can test my faith is god himself.

you can think of all of us that try to tell you all the time god isnt real as a test of faith. GOD is sending us at you one at a time to test your faith! MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH! I AM THE SERPENT! I AM THE RED DRAGON! COME TO THE DARK SIDE!

eat the apple my friend, and you will be enlightened.