A blog I posted on my myspace:

I'm completely disgusted by today's society! It really ticks me off! We have left the Christian principles this nation was founded on to seek after other Gods, as did the nation of Israel in the past. In modern American society, we lock up those who murder adults, but the govt. pays for the murder of unborn infants on a daily basis. We recognize homosexual couples as "an alternate lifestyle." Divorce is as common as marriage. Sex has become a pastime. Lying has become OK, as long as it helps you to get ahead. Drug abuse has become a normal activity throughout high school, adults attributing it to age and considering it normal. Whores who decide to get naked in front of a camera become artists. Most "churches" in America are full of hypocrites and the leaders are nothing more than people making good speeches to get more money, and the Holy Spirit is not with them (not dissing all preachers, or even most in this area, but the majority of churches in America fall in with the Spirit of the Age: the church of Laodicea) And last but not least, along with this, those who actually follow the laws of Jesus Christ are persecuted and those laws are discouraged throughout even schools in America. A spirit of anger and rebellion plagues today's youth, but from what they're around, how is it hard to believe? A growing problem in youth in America and around the world is self-harm, drug abuse (which is considered normal, remember), and suicide, all spawning from the depression that overtakes them in this sickly sinful society. I hate the ways of this society! They are an abomination against the LORD Almighty! Unborn babies are just as human as us. How does being a fetus make them unhuman, and to deserve death at the mother's, who (in most cases) got quite a bit of enjoyment out of making the baby, request? Since when does homosexuality, which is an abomination in the sight of the LORD, get the right to be considered natural? Since when did Jesus take back that to divorce and remarry, accept in the case of adultery, is considered adultery? How is it that sex, which bonds a couple and can really mess you up if the two of you don't stay together, become the best thing for couples (or even singles with prostitutes) to have since sliced bread? How does success as an outcome make honesty obselete? What makes drug abuse so normal for teenagers to dabble with, to the point that a parent won't worry about it? How is a ball of lustful thought considered an art? Since when can the church be successful without the power of the Holy Ghost, 3rd person of the God-head, running the activity, when Jesus himself stressed it so much? How do we have the right to teach these sickening morals to today's youth through the media, doctors, and even our schools? But one question I can answer, and it gives a partial answer to the rest. Why are the righteous persecuted? Because it has been since time began. Abel was killed by Caine because God accepted Abel. David was sought be Saul to be put to death. Jesus commented even on the many many prophets killed in Jerusalem. John the Baptist was beheaded. Jesus was crucified. Paul was beheaded. Peter was crucified upside-down. Throughout most church history, those who truly stood up for their king were persecuted, and in the end executed. Our society is run by Satan, and it saddens me. Oh God, have mercy on America!

I think that the only reason God has not judged America already is because of the stand for Israel that America has. If not for the remnant of Godly people in America, she would be a desolate place.

America is secular (http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html) and its religious freedom (http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/principles/religion.htm) is what makes it great. Respecting everyone's beliefs. Not forcing anyone to worship. Freedom of thought and freedom of expression. Oh, America is founded much more on the intellectual principles of the Enlightenment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment) than anything Christian. In fact, America was founded by people who were seeking to avoid religious persecution in Europe.

i agree izzy

you know who you kinda remind me of izzy?



www.godhatesfags.com

^ if that is a link to the crazy kansas people i hope it was a joke..if not i have to say that is a ridiculous post...i mean come on dude..i think the same as izzy about gay people..am i a part of the kansas group too?..i treat them the same as i treat anyone else. i just dont agree with their lifestyle. oh and just so every one knows me and izzy are attending a soldiers funeral soon with tshirts and signs about God hating the military if anyone wants to join...Izzy i think your post is dead on.

the part where he says that America is run by the devil is actually what reminded me of the Westboro Baptist Church.

the part where he says that America is run by the devil is actually what reminded me of the Westboro Baptist Church.

Which, if you want the truth about it, is MUCH more off than most churches in America. From looking at their website, it is the honestly the second funniest "Christian" website I've ever read in my entire life. The people in that church are deceived big time.

A blog I posted on my myspace:

I'm completely disgusted by today's society! It really ticks me off! We have left the Christian principles this nation was founded on to seek after other Gods, as did the nation of Israel in the past. In modern American society, we lock up those who murder adults, but the govt. pays for the murder of unborn infants on a daily basis. We recognize homosexual couples as "an alternate lifestyle." Divorce is as common as marriage. Sex has become a pastime. Lying has become OK, as long as it helps you to get ahead. Drug abuse has become a normal activity throughout high school, adults attributing it to age and considering it normal. Whores who decide to get naked in front of a camera become artists. Most "churches" in America are full of hypocrites and the leaders are nothing more than people making good speeches to get more money, and the Holy Spirit is not with them (not dissing all preachers, or even most in this area, but the majority of churches in America fall in with the Spirit of the Age: the church of Laodicea) And last but not least, along with this, those who actually follow the laws of Jesus Christ are persecuted and those laws are discouraged throughout even schools in America. A spirit of anger and rebellion plagues today's youth, but from what they're around, how is it hard to believe? A growing problem in youth in America and around the world is self-harm, drug abuse (which is considered normal, remember), and suicide, all spawning from the depression that overtakes them in this sickly sinful society. I hate the ways of this society! They are an abomination against the LORD Almighty! Unborn babies are just as human as us. How does being a fetus make them unhuman, and to deserve death at the mother's, who (in most cases) got quite a bit of enjoyment out of making the baby, request? Since when does homosexuality, which is an abomination in the sight of the LORD, get the right to be considered natural? Since when did Jesus take back that to divorce and remarry, accept in the case of adultery, is considered adultery? How is it that sex, which bonds a couple and can really mess you up if the two of you don't stay together, become the best thing for couples (or even singles with prostitutes) to have since sliced bread? How does success as an outcome make honesty obselete? What makes drug abuse so normal for teenagers to dabble with, to the point that a parent won't worry about it? How is a ball of lustful thought considered an art? Since when can the church be successful without the power of the Holy Ghost, 3rd person of the God-head, running the activity, when Jesus himself stressed it so much? How do we have the right to teach these sickening morals to today's youth through the media, doctors, and even our schools? But one question I can answer, and it gives a partial answer to the rest. Why are the righteous persecuted? Because it has been since time began. Abel was killed by Caine because God accepted Abel. David was sought be Saul to be put to death. Jesus commented even on the many many prophets killed in Jerusalem. John the Baptist was beheaded. Jesus was crucified. Paul was beheaded. Peter was crucified upside-down. Throughout most church history, those who truly stood up for their king were persecuted, and in the end executed. Our society is run by Satan, and it saddens me. Oh God, have mercy on America!

I'm an athiest and I love life, Life is good. I'm happy.

Love you Izzy. :icon_wink

I honestly don't even know where to begin. I think the part that made me cringe the most was the part about how the righteous persecuted. Do you really think it's supernatural? That good christians get persecuted? I'm guessing that you wouldn't consider Malcolm X to be righteous, but he was persecuted. What about Gandhi? Not righteous by your standards, and persecuted. It's christians that are persecuted, it's those that are willing to stand up against what they believe is wrong. You need to get over yourself man.

My short reaction to this is every one has personal rights and responsibilities based on thier living in society, and having the intelect and desire to control themselves. Therefore you are responsible to live a life as you wish, and I have the right to do the same.

That's the problem with christians today. They think everyone supposed to follow their beliefs and rules. Everyones not going to do what you do and believe in what you believe in. I agree with everything you said, since i'm also a christian, but I believe that you shouldn't put a gun to a sinner's head to make them follow you. The more years that pass the worst this world and not just America will get, so you'll just have to deal with it. Like they say, let go and let God. Because that's all you can do.

Something I've said a few times already is that, you can't force Christianity on anyone. Just because someone is gay does not mean they should not be accepted into society. Their lifestyle is just as good as yours, yes it is not good in the eyes of God, but do you have the right to judge them, no! You should not judge anyone, and God should do the judging for you. I don't know what kind of church you go to, but I think they have missed out on the key points such as acceptance and other things. Christians are not superior to non Christians, not even in God's eyes. Quit acting like we are. Let people make their own choices, try to convert people if you can ( of course ), but you can not act as though you have never done these things, and although you might not do them anymore , you have. You are also forgetting that our God is a very forgiving God and we can be forgiven for our sins. God knows we are all sinners, and in that, knows we will sin, and although you should not sin, everyone does it ( this doesn't make it right, I'm just saying, you do it too, and quit acting like you don't ). I am a Christian as much as anyone on here, but what you need to learn is acceptance of other people's belief and of other peoples. The people you are judging should only be judged through God's eyes, not yours. We will all be judged in the end, but you do not need to judge anyone now. As a Christian, you are preached acceptance and that every human is equal to the next, so although you may not do these things you see other people doing, you are still a sinner, and do bad things too. Thats all I really have to say.

Something I've said a few times already is that, you can't force Christianity on anyone. Just because someone is gay does not mean they should not be accepted into society. Their lifestyle is just as good as yours, yes it is not good in the eyes of God, but do you have the right to judge them, no! You should not judge anyone, and God should do the judging for you. I don't know what kind of church you go to, but I think they have missed out on the key points such as acceptance and other things. Christians are not superior to non Christians, not even in God's eyes. Quit acting like we are. Let people make their own choices, try to convert people if you can ( of course ), but you can not act as though you have never done these things, and although you might not do them anymore , you have. You are also forgetting that our God is a very forgiving God and we can be forgiven for our sins. God knows we are all sinners, and in that, knows we will sin, and although you should not sin, everyone does it ( this doesn't make it right, I'm just saying, you do it too, and quit acting like you don't ). I am a Christian as much as anyone on here, but what you need to learn is acceptance of other people's belief and of other peoples. The people you are judging should only be judged through God's eyes, not yours. We will all be judged in the end, but you do not need to judge anyone now. As a Christian, you are preached acceptance and that every human is equal to the next, so although you may not do these things you see other people doing, you are still a sinner, and do bad things too. Thats all I really have to say.
Do I accept them, yes. I treat people equal no matter what they do. And am I a sinner, yes, But at the same time that doesn't mean we should accept society as it is. God has judged nations before (Sodom and Gamarrah for example) and will again. I love all people, don't get me wrong, and I would help anyone who needed help in anyway I can, but as far as their beliefs, I cannot accept lies. Love the sinner, but hate the sin. What God hates, I hate. I don't hate people, but their actions I do. Because I believe that we shouldn't allow homosexual marriage and teach it as an alternative lifestyle, when I know it isn't, that means I judge people and don't accept them (that was the only point I saw you take really from my post)? At the same time I'm saying society definitely needs to change, knowing it won't, I'm also saying we should stick up for what we believe and change society for the better in any way we can, and also that we shouldn't buy into society. I never dissed people accept for preachers who don't truly follow Jesus but lead the flock astray, which Jesus warned of in the last days. I'm sorry you misunderstood what I meant :).

John 8:7

When they persisted in questioning him, he [Jesus] straightened up and said to them, "Let the person among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

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In all your questions you're not addressing anything new, yet you act like these are brand new, emerging phenomena. You're a 16-year-old kid and you're harking back to some imaginary good ol' days like a senior citizen. C'mon man.

A spirit of anger and rebellion plagues today's youth, but from what they're around, how is it hard to believe?

Youths approaching adulthood are always rebellious, and always have been. It's a right of passage to adulthood. Some rebel more than others, but it's a common psychology among teenagers. It is the natural instinct to leave the nest, expressed with immaturity.

How does being a fetus make them unhuman, and to deserve death at the mother's, who (in most cases) got quite a bit of enjoyment out of making the baby, request?

The unborn is a fetus for one stage of development. There are several other stages. Death comes to everyone, deserving it does not often factor into the equation. Whether or not a woman who decides to have an abortion had a good time having sex is irrelevant.

Since when does homosexuality, which is an abomination in the sight of the LORD, get the right to be considered natural?

Since when does the Bible get to decide what's natural and what isn't? Homosexuals have always existed and always will, with or without approval.

Since when did Jesus take back that to divorce and remarry, accept in the case of adultery, is considered adultery?

Now you're really detaching yourself from reality. People don't always get married for the right reasons. It's attitudes like yours that lead women to stay in abusive relationships and people to lead miserable lives by sharing them with the wrong person.

How is it that sex, which bonds a couple and can really mess you up if the two of you don't stay together, become the best thing for couples (or even singles with prostitutes) to have since sliced bread?

Sex has always been an enjoyable activity, and it always will. Why you religious types have to get all messed up about it is a mystery to me. It's another thing which boils down to taking responsibility for one's own actions. If a person has thought through the decision to have sexual relations with another, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Prostitution is the world's oldest profession, or so the saying goes. It doesn't make it right, but who's to tell a woman she can't sell what she's got to sell, if that's her decision?

How does success as an outcome make honesty obselete?

It doesn't make honesty obsolete, but it sure doesn't prevent dishonesty from resulting in success.

What makes drug abuse so normal for teenagers to dabble with, to the point that a parent won't worry about it?

Dabbling is normal. Abusing to the point of addiction is a problem.

How is a ball of lustful thought considered an art?

Got me. I know of no "balls of lustful thought" which are considered art. In fact, all my lustful thoughts take place quite a ways from my balls, though they might originate there hormonally.

Since when can the church be successful without the power of the Holy Ghost, 3rd person of the God-head, running the activity, when Jesus himself stressed it so much?

Y'all got management issues.

How do we have the right to teach these sickening morals to today's youth through the media, doctors, and even our schools?

Who's we? Sex sells, so the media uses it. No mystery there. For the most part doctors are concerned with helping people be healthy. There are a few who make a living helping people be happy. Schools? What, are you mad about the bowl of free condoms?

But one question I can answer, and it gives a partial answer to the rest. Why are the righteous persecuted? Because it has been since time began. Abel was killed by Caine because God accepted Abel. David was sought be Saul to be put to death. Jesus commented even on the many many prophets killed in Jerusalem. John the Baptist was beheaded. Jesus was crucified. Paul was beheaded. Peter was crucified upside-down. Throughout most church history, those who truly stood up for their king were persecuted, and in the end executed. Our society is run by Satan, and it saddens me. Oh God, have mercy on America!

Who is a contemporary example of a righteous person who is persecuted?

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In all your questions you're not addressing anything new, yet you act like these are brand new, emerging phenomena. You're a 16-year-old kid and you're harking back to some imaginary good ol' days like a senior citizen. C'mon man.



Youths approaching adulthood are always rebellious, and always have been. It's a right of passage to adulthood. Some rebel more than others, but it's a common psychology among teenagers. It is the natural instinct to leave the nest, expressed with immaturity.



The unborn is a fetus for one stage of development. There are several other stages. Death comes to everyone, deserving it does not often factor into the equation. Whether or not a woman who decides to have an abortion had a good time having sex is irrelevant.



Since when does the Bible get to decide what's natural and what isn't? Homosexuals have always existed and always will, with or without approval.



Now you're really detaching yourself from reality. People don't always get married for the right reasons. It's attitudes like yours that lead women to stay in abusive relationships and people to lead miserable lives by sharing them with the wrong person.



Sex has always been an enjoyable activity, and it always will. Why you religious types have to get all messed up about it is a mystery to me. It's another thing which boils down to taking responsibility for one's own actions. If a person has thought through the decision to have sexual relations with another, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Prostitution is the world's oldest profession, or so the saying goes. It doesn't make it right, but who's to tell a woman she can't sell what she's got to sell, if that's her decision?



It doesn't make honesty obsolete, but it sure doesn't prevent dishonesty from resulting in success.



Dabbling is normal. Abusing to the point of addiction is a problem.



Got me. I know of no "balls of lustful thought" which are considered art. In fact, all my lustful thoughts take place quite a ways from my balls, though they might originate there hormonally.



Y'all got management issues.



Who's we? Sex sells, so the media uses it. No mystery there. For the most part doctors are concerned with helping people be healthy. There are a few who make a living helping people be happy. Schools? What, are you mad about the bowl of free condoms?



Who is a contemporary example of a righteous person who is persecuted?

To answer the last question, assuming you mean a modern example, a whole lot, though many more than others. In China, Islamic nations, and almost every nation without religious freedom those who follow Jesus are imprisoned, physically and mentally abused, and many times executed. Even in countries such as ours, which have freedom of religion, people are as harsh with words as it comes, as far as in bigger cities to beat someone (or kill them in some cases) for following Jesus. But for one particular example, I'll give something our pastor's son told us one time he was in (he travels with Eddie James Ministries. Really good. Worth looking up for all you who haven't heard of them :) ) he told of one of the people who he traveled with. He was an ex-gang member and told of how, when he was in the gang before he was saved, he saw his best friend shot in front of him. His friend had went to prison for some minor stuff for a while and while there had found Jesus. So, his friend, stoked for Jesus, was serving him in prison like crazy (meaning in a good way). So, when he got out, his fire still shining, his friend (the one who told the story) picked him up from prison to take him home, and told him that they were going to pick up some coke before they went home. So they went in and the guy picked up his coke, and one the way out, some gang members (from another gang) stopped them and said "Who do you claim?" The friend ripped off all things showing his loyalty to his gang, looked up to heaven, hands held high, and said, "I claim Jesus Christ!" Seconds later, they shot him 3 times, and he was dead. The guy who told the story was let go because of gang affiliation (even though it was a different gang). That's an example, just to give one, though there are many (though not all that bad).

some of you can't go five seconds without instigating. if you don't have anything nice to say, stay out of this subforum, and go create your own dedicated to starting fights.

I think the point of this thread and sub-forum for that matter is to discus religous issues. Thats what we're doing. I dont know what the big deal is.

I take issue with quite a bit of what Izzy has to say, but since this is the Christian Forum I guess it's only for Christians to nod their approval and pat each other on the back. The point was not to instigate a fight so much as a discussion, but I'll leave this thread be.

haha, i was being a bit of a meanie.

If you are going to judge someone righteously, you must make an attempt to change it, for if you make no attempt to change it, you are not righteous in your judging. If you didn't see this quote that FFC posted, I think you should read it again and again.

When they persisted in questioning him, he [Jesus] straightened up and said to them, "Let the person among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."

If you are without sin, than you can judge someone for making mistakes, but since you are not, you can not. If you were going out and trying to get people to repent, then you would be righteous in your judging, but since you are not, you are not righteous in your judging. There is a line between accusing someone of something and judging them, and I think you have crossed it many times on these forums. I am a Christian, but I do not judge unless I can make a difference in that person's life and help them repent.

^why are you judging him judging others, you shouldn't judge! lol..i havent read the first post in a couple days but if i remember correctly i dont think izzy judged anyone per say and also, you as a person make judgments everyday and that does often include people. that scripture is saying not to have a condemning attitude towards people..but to know what they are doing is wrong...my 2 cents

It just kind of irks me the way he is talking about gays. I do not judge people like that. There is a difference in the way I am judging and the way he is judging. I am not calling him a bad person, but trying to tell him what I think he is doing wrong, so maybe he will try to not do it. Although I do judge, I do not judge in the way he does. I see we have conflicting opinions on that, but my church teaches me the difference in righteous judging and judging just for the sake of it.

Since when does homosexuality, which is an abomination in the sight of the LORD, get the right to be considered natural?

Since they discovered un-assisted homosexuality in animals other than humans.

I think it was chimpanzees. (Being deadly serious here.)

The God that I know and see in Jesus Christ is at this time offering His friendship without regard to what we have produced. It saddens me that our culture and much of the church values out a human being and offers them friendship based on what they produce.

One time while my wife and I were working as houseparents at a Christian home for abused and neglected children, I had two 12 year old boys in the back of the car after attending a music recital with them. I said to them....."hey, guys....let's go and get some ice cream!" With great excitement, Josh replied......"yeah!!!.....Mr. Oli......we've been good!!!!......haven't we?

It broke my heart to hear him say that.....and I replied..."guys.....you know I love you too much to give you something just because you've been good."

Josh looked at me silently...with his head cocked to the side....like the RCA Victor pup. He had apparently been taught that you get good things by being good, and you get punished for being bad. They were being taught to be good capitalists and good game players in a Christian institution, but they weren't being shown the mercy and sacrificial love of Christ. Consequently, they weren't being redeemed with love and encouragement and hope and they weren't receiving the motivation of God's spirit to live the lives He planned for them from eternity.

In the future, the God of the Bible will judge that which is in opposition to His will, but this is the time He is offering his grace and mercy and friendship in Christ, and His followers are to do Christ's ministry to all people.

Izzy, I know where you are coming from. It is frustrating to know God like you do and want to please him like you do; and see so many people ignore God's desires for their good. Yeah.....our world is a frustrating place with many, many things that don't make sense.....like why we have had absolutely no leadership reducing our country's dependence on oil. Our whole economy and national security is at the mercy of oil. It wasn't too hard to see this coming. The only outstanding forward thinking leadership I have seen in a president since I have been living was in John Kennedy. He even got us to the moon. I think that is where we still are.

May I say, without ANY offence to izzy or anyone else, but like, did someone forget about ''free-will''...Unfortunatly, as long as humans have brains that can make decisions, the norm isn't going to be so ''normal'' for long! I see alot of people not happy with the way society is, how the ''plan'' is not going into the motion it once was, but can anybody change it? I'm not sure if 1 human, or a group of humans can help fix the problem (if it really is a problem, with the power of ''free-will''

What makes you so high and mighty? Forgive me if I remember wrong, but weren't you recently making threads about your drug problems and porn addiction? You "found the LORD" and all of a sudden everyone else looks like a scumbag, eh? Your little "America was found on Christian principles" spiel is bull****. "Satan" does not run America. In fact, its largely run by followers of the Judeo-Christian ethic. Your people, right? These problems you described have been around much longer than you'd like to think.

READ DANIEL 2:29 - 49

explains america

Since they discovered un-assisted homosexuality in animals other than humans.

I think it was chimpanzees. (Being deadly serious here.)

Is it possible to know whether or not these animals were being homosexual based on domination and not just..homosexuality? Much like prison sex.