Today i was looking around at Borders and i picked up Sad Sappy Sucker by Modest Mouse to look at it and i realized that there were 4 tracks that werent on the version i bought off of itunes. It didnt say "enhanced version" or anything on it. So I had to buy it again 1. to get the four tracks and 2. i like having the actual CD instead of it on a burnt CD.

I never buy albums from them, anyway. I still remember buying tapes... Lets not let CDs die as well!

vinyl ftw!

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don't buy music :)
download it :)

torrents arte beautiful.


plus, you can actually download all the project playlist music

Real CD's ftw.

If you are really into a band, don't download it, buy the CD like a real fan.

just as they said "if you're a real fan, but the tape not the CD."

go ahead and get virtual music it. just make sure you'er getting everything you want.

vinyl ftw!QFT My man!

bah downloading cds with programs like these is never reliable

real cds are the best, and you spend money anyway so you might as well do it properly on the real thing, which is much more nice to get and fisically touch

either that or you download it from a better place ahah which is what i do most of the time, cause I dont have money..

Download ftw.

i always just download my music, never have the money to buy CDs :P

Why pay for something you can get for free?

I don't remember the last time I bought a CD actually I've never paid one in my life. My parents used to pay for CD's and such. But I'm not a big music fans so yeah...downloading for the win.

at this point for me right now, i am always gunna buy off the internet for now. when i can get a job or find a way to get some money, I'm going to start buying the CD's in stores. its the only way the bands you like are going to make money. without making money they can't play.

I order a bunch of cd's from my library site and then i just burn em onto my computer, a lot easier and free.

Why pay for something you can get for free?

because youll give the band a place to sleep at night.
and a place to record...
in other words, if you dont buy music, bands will not make it...

Don't buy music. Too much money goes to the record companies who doesn't deserve jack sh*t tbh.

I would rather contact the band and say "hi here is 30 bucks". But for now I DL.

because youll give the band a place to sleep at night.
and a place to record...
in other words, if you dont buy music, bands will not make it...

if bands aren't getting any money it's probably because they suck.

do you have any idea how many really REALLY retarded hardcore/metal bands there are that suck?

In duluth there are TONS and I have to listen to their **** every friday and saturday night. They do NOT deserve my money.
skatepark/music venue..

if bands aren't getting any money it's probably because they suck.

do you have any idea how many really REALLY retarded hardcore/metal bands there are that suck?

In duluth there are TONS and I have to listen to their **** every friday and saturday night. They do NOT deserve my money.
skatepark/music venue..

your argument is irrelivant.
im talking about buying a bands records, not listening to them.

if everyone downloads a song off of limewire, every single person in the world, guess how much money the band gets?
none.

so guess how many more records theyre going to put out?
none.

get my point, its not for the music you dont like.
if you like any music at all youre a hippocrit for dissagreeing with me...

in other words, if you dont buy music, bands will not make it...



hahahhahahaha isn't that what real music fans want.
Music made out of love, not out of profit incentive.
i say download download download. You're not hurting the music industry, you're cutting out all it's bull**** and letting the true artists shine.
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get my point, its not for the music you dont like.
if you like any music at all youre a hippocrit for dissagreeing with me...



No, you're simply wrong. If you like music, but are putting money towards a industrial machine that does nothing but destroy music, you are the hypocrite.
Music is an art, made for love. Too many people forget this, bands are blinded by dollar signs. Solution? Take away the dollar signs. The parasites will leave willingly, and only music will remain.

your argument is irrelivant.
im talking about buying a bands records, not listening to them.

if everyone downloads a song off of limewire, every single person in the world, guess how much money the band gets?
none.

so guess how many more records theyre going to put out?
none.

get my point, its not for the music you dont like.
if you like any music at all youre a hippocrit for dissagreeing with me...

You know.. bands do play concerts right?
and theres are a ton of bands I've never heard of that play here (on the main stage, not the "local scene" room) that get payed a couple grand to come and play. I rarely even hear of the big band that leads it or whatever and they get paid 10-20 grand a show.

If everybody stops buying CD's, it will just mean the price to pay bands to come to a place will go up. And big musicians won't be living in huge mansions. Most big name musicians and singers don't even write their own stuff it's just their name.

wow, musicians having to live like everybody else? that's blasphemy!

people will ALWAYS play music.

I'm saying if the bands don't suck, people will buy their CDs (Or some will download), and they'll go to their shows.

You know.. bands do play concerts right?
and theres are a ton of bands I've never heard of that play here (on the main stage, not the "local scene" room) that get payed a couple grand to come and play. I rarely even hear of the big band that leads it or whatever and they get paid 10-20 grand a show.

If everybody stops buying CD's, it will just mean the price to pay bands to come to a place will go up. And big musicians won't be living in huge mansions. Most big name musicians and singers don't even write their own stuff it's just their name.

wow, musicians having to live like everybody else? that's blasphemy!

people will ALWAYS play music.

I'm saying if the bands don't suck, people will buy their CDs (Or some will download), and they'll go to their shows.

most musicians dont live like most of the world, they live at a lower level.
i dont listen to most popular music.
and if you see interviews of most indy musicians you will see that they share my opinion.

im saying if you like the band you should buy the cd, not download it for free, like swordman said...

if everyone stops buying cds, no one will produce those cds, so they WILL NOT be popular.
why the hell would a record label send a band on a world tour if they didnt sell any records?
they wouldnt.

beleive me, my dad ran a record label, and IS a muscician.
i know this alot better than you...

most musicians dont live like most of the world, they live at a lower level.
i dont listen to most popular music.
and if you see interviews of most indy musicians you will see that they share my opinion.

im saying if you like the band you should buy the cd, not download it for free, like swordman said...

if everyone stops buying cds, no one will produce those cds, so they WILL NOT be popular.
why the hell would a record label send a band on a world tour if they didnt sell any records?
they wouldnt.

beleive me, my dad ran a record label, and IS a muscician.
i know this alot better than you...

1. oh wait.. you mean like living paycheck to paycheck like everybody else.

2. I dont listen to a lot of popular music as well, meaning the bands that I listen to don't make a lot of money either.. but they're still playing

3. oh great they wont be popular.. then we can listen to them! but really I think fcgb hit it on the head. I'd just be repeating what he said.

4. you act like I don't play any instruments, or work at any concerts.
but yeah my dad was an engineer of some sorts so I know A LOT more than you do about it. (probably not)

i usually never buy albums from it, just single songs.

hahahhahahaha isn't that what real music fans want.
Music made out of love, not out of profit incentive.
i say download download download. You're not hurting the music industry, you're cutting out all it's bull**** and letting the true artists shine.
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No, you're simply wrong. If you like music, but are putting money towards a industrial machine that does nothing but destroy music, you are the hypocrite.
Music is an art, made for love. Too many people forget this, bands are blinded by dollar signs. Solution? Take away the dollar signs. The parasites will leave willingly, and only music will remain.

thats kinda the attitude that the record companies have that puts musos on the poverty line.
You're doing what you love, why should we pay you anything?
musicians are some of the hardest working people on earth. They are almost always in it for the love. Otherwise noone would slog it out for years in crappy pubs for free meals and booze. They are treated like rubbish for so long that when they finnaly make it, the deserve the big $$. Even if they play terrible music.

I download music all the time, but there's nothing like LOSSLESS audio... mmm... I'm surprised no one has mentioned that.

When you buy a song of iTunes the average size of a song is 5-6 MB/128kbps. When you actually buy a CD, you get LOSSLESS audio, 20-40MB/600-900 kbps for each song and beaaautiful sound.

And yes, vinyl is even better! :icon_drib

But then there's gonna be DVD audio... even better? 24bit/96khz FTW.

^very true, the quality of a cd is much much better.
what I do is I buy the cds I've already downloaded because I know for sure I'll like them and it wont be a waste of money. but I like having the cd

if bands aren't getting any money it's probably because they suck.

that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages

there are loads and loads of bands in the world, its impossible for all of them to live a wealthy life from their music. and its very difficult to start in the music industry anyway, most bands start doing concerts that are really cheap even if they have a lot of potential

I download music all the time, but there's nothing like LOSSLESS audio... mmm... I'm surprised no one has mentioned that.

When you buy a song of iTunes the average size of a song is 5-6 MB/128kbps. When you actually buy a CD, you get LOSSLESS audio, 20-40MB/600-900 kbps for each song and beaaautiful sound.

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how do you do that? is it a import setting on itunes?

If you look hard enough when downloading music, you can find the 356k's out there.

Fact is, I can never justify buying a cd...not because I want people to not make money, but because the ''ease'' is there to download. Also, I haven't liked a cd front to back in a LOOOONNNNGGGG time (with the exception of box sets) so for me to actually BUY the cd is fruitless and a waste of my money. Greatest Hits albums don't really count, but then again, I can always make my ''own'' Greatest Hits of the group I like anyway.

Funny thing is, I remember prior to Napster in the 90's, cd's cost near $20. Now you can get them for under a $10. Goes to show, the RIAA put value on something, that frankly, wasn't worth that much, expecially when concert tickets sales are what REALLY helps the band, and where buying the music only helped the RIAA. So since their pocket is hurting, they're the once complaining and not the bands as much. Most rap artists still have lots of $$$, that isn't from their cd sales, thats from promotional gigs, and shows.

when era vulgaris came out last june, i bought it instore, but then i went on itunes and it had an extra track on it, i just bought that bonus track - sometimes itunes is weird

I respected how Radiohead decided that they would let their fans pay whatever they felt, to download "In Rainbows". Good old Thom yorke.

Meanwhile, you need to show them respect by paying them money also, only if you really support a certain band, they need to pay bills too y'know. They give you great music, you give a little in return. Fair is fair. Nothing beats buying your favourite artist's CD, it's geniune, and it makes you happy.

Gay thing about iTunes is, they pay you for every thing except the free on itunes tv shows (only decent one is rob and big), and single of the week, which are the worst music ever.


And stop whining. Even if you are gonna waster 10 bucks on a CD (suckers), I'll be here in front of a screen with air conditioning and lemonade downloading my music for free in the comfort of my home. :)

vinyl ftw!

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1. oh wait.. you mean like living paycheck to paycheck like everybody else.

2. I dont listen to a lot of popular music as well, meaning the bands that I listen to don't make a lot of money either.. but they're still playing

3. oh great they wont be popular.. then we can listen to them! but really I think fcgb hit it on the head. I'd just be repeating what he said.

4. you act like I don't play any instruments, or work at any concerts.
but yeah my dad was an engineer of some sorts so I know A LOT more than you do about it. (probably not)

of course theyll still play, but how will you go see their show?
and if they dont record, how are you going to hear their music?

your perception of the music world is distorted.
you look only at what the major labels say.

but youve completely forgoten about all the indy labels.
i can admit that most major record labels are ass holes, and they ruin alot of good music.
but getting that music for free will not help anyone.

especially is its a generally unknown band that belongs to an indy label.

are we supposed 2 be promoting illegal downloads, like in the USA you can get super busted w/ the cops and get fined like major bucks 4 downloading stuff illegally, and its against the forum's rules to promote stuff like that, so we shouldn't be doing that, IT's AGIANST THE RULES!!!!
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i'm 16 and my dad gave me like 50-60 vinyl records of like the beatles, led zepplin, Beach boys, Michaeal jackson (when he wasn't acused of being a petifile), and a bunch of other stuff, and a sweet old school record player, i love vinyl, it's sweet sounding, CD is more professional but old school all the way dudes/dudets!!!!

Tyler
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opps posted twice, wait 3 times, LOL!!!

Tyler

Real CD's ftw.

If you are really into a band, don't download it, buy the CD like a real fan.

Yeah, real fan alright. Real broke fan.

I'm sorry, maybe you've got some sort of money fountain that no one knows about, but I can't afford to buy CD's. I don't think that should make me a fake fan.

I'd love to support the bands that I listen to if I could, but, honestly, I can't.

how do you do that? is it a import setting on itunes?

How do you do what? Get lossless audio?

There's some lossless torrents out there...

The best import setting on iTunes is the AAC file setting, that's the Apple version of lossless. Sounds good to me.

I've done my fair share of downloading, but I consider mp3s inferior and merely a way to hear something before I buy the real deal or to hear music which is out of print (not commercially available). I also do the majority of my downloading from eMusic, a legitimate site with reasonable rates and mp3s which have no DMR (unlike iTunes, where the files are that annoying "Protected AAC" format which won't let you burn them too many times or play them on other computers or change the format). To me, it's like mp3s don't count. I like having the manufactured object with the highest quality audio, album art, and liner notes.

Most recording artists make the majority of their money by touring and performing, not from cd sales. However, that doesn't mean it's OK to just rip off the recording industry.

Yeah, real fan alright. Real broke fan.

I'm sorry, maybe you've got some sort of money fountain that no one knows about, but I can't afford to buy CD's. I don't think that should make me a fake fan.

I'd love to support the bands that I listen to if I could, but, honestly, I can't.

If you can't afford to buy a CD then you must be seriously poor. Not too against downloading for free, but don't over do it, at least buy a few CD's of the bands you like most.

download ftw

Don't buy music. Too much money goes to the record companies who doesn't deserve jack sh*t tbh.

I would rather contact the band and say "hi here is 30 bucks". But for now I DL.

Not really the money the record company gets covers how much they spent making the cd. Studio time costs a lot of money like $2000 for an hour or so plus the money covers making the cds that sit in stores waiting to be bought.

While the statement SOAD makes is true, it goes both ways.
Here's an example.

I've been listening to Switchfoot since I can remember.. wayy back in the 90's (way back to me :p)

Back when "Oh! Gravity" was released, I purchased the CD, because they are one of the bands I have had CD's of for a long time, So I wanted to keep the collection complete.

Then... I go to iTunes, and find that iTunes has made 4 bonus tracks available, on of which was the acoustic version of "American Dream" which is by far on of my favorite songs off of the new album, I like the electric version as well, but the acoustic one seems to have a sound that portrays the overall mood of the song exponentially better than the electric version.

There isn't a single Switchfoot song I dislike, not even in the slightest..
So.. If you haven't heard of them... check them out..

thats kinda the attitude that the record companies have that puts musos on the poverty line.
You're doing what you love, why should we pay you anything?
musicians are some of the hardest working people on earth. They are almost always in it for the love. Otherwise noone would slog it out for years in crappy pubs for free meals and booze. They are treated like rubbish for so long that when they finnaly make it, the deserve the big $$. Even if they play terrible music.



Which is beautiful. This kind of action will get rid of the people who are only doing to make "the big $$" - the exact kind of musicians we don't need. If they are doing it for the money, they are not doing it for love. Look at the entire DIY scene. If theres money involved, it is only so what is needed so they can continue doing what they love. There is no large scale recognition. There are no world tours. There is only music, the people who love making it and the people who love enjoying it.
I know a band that would absolutely love playing in crappy pubs for free meals and booze for the rest of their lives, so long as it meant they get to keep playing music.



to the person who said musicians live on a lower level..
why is that? Because they choose musicians as a career, expecting to make money? That right there shows the profit incentive that is destroying music.

I'm confused about the whole downloading thing now, are we arguing for payed downloads or illegal free downloads?

Because if you're gonna pay for it then yeah I have no problem against downloads.

most musicians dont live like most of the world, they live at a lower level.
i dont listen to most popular music.
and if you see interviews of most indy musicians you will see that they share my opinion.

im saying if you like the band you should buy the cd, not download it for free, like swordman said...

if everyone stops buying cds, no one will produce those cds, so they WILL NOT be popular.
why the hell would a record label send a band on a world tour if they didnt sell any records?
they wouldnt.

beleive me, my dad ran a record label, and IS a muscician.
i know this alot better than you...



Who gives a **** whether or not a band goes on a world tour. Popularity and money are no measure of music - they are measure of greed.
Greed, again, being the fact that most 'musicians' play solely for money.
It doesn't matter how many CD they sell, or how many stops they have on their tour. What matters is the incentive for making CDs, or for going on a tour. Is it to simply play music because they love it and want to share it, or is it to earn money?
If the answer is to earn money, i'm gonna download that CD because you don't deserve the profit as a musician.
if the answer is out of love, i'm gonna download that CD because i like your music, and you won't mind anyway.


And, simply because you've read indy interviews and your dad is involved in music doesn't mean you know more than any of us. Their ethos does not lend itself to you.

Which is beautiful. This kind of action will get rid of the people who are only doing to make "the big $$" - the exact kind of musicians we don't need. If they are doing it for the money, they are not doing it for love. Look at the entire DIY scene. If theres money involved, it is only so what is needed so they can continue doing what they love. There is no large scale recognition. There are no world tours. There is only music, the people who love making it and the people who love enjoying it.
I know a band that would absolutely love playing in crappy pubs for free meals and booze for the rest of their lives, so long as it meant they get to keep playing music.




well that sounds romantic but dont you think musos deverve to drive a nice car or have a nice house or support a family? they work very hard.
Or are they doing what they love so they deserve nothing and we get to listen for free.
I know some carpenters love what they do but society doesnt expect them to run at no profit or never expand their business. Sometimes they need to sacrifice a bit so that they are able to make a living.
And what happens when the music world forgets them? No more royalties just some washed up drugged up muso who is meant to be eternally thankful for the fans who listened to their music.
Musos need to make big money because there's no such thing as holiday pay, job security, unfair dismissal or any type of guarantee that they will make enough to live off.

I'm not specifically talking to you now, just to people with the general attitude that musicians should be some type of free giving creatures who have no desire for money and dont deserve a normal steady life since we bless them with our ears.