Even though I'm not American

I heard a ridiculous story my History teacher was telling me about:

McCain was attacking Obama about how he has no family values. But back in the days, when McCain went to war, his wife who was faithful to him was in America, and she had a terrible car accident and lost both legs. McCain was good to her for a few months, then divorced, and married another girl, who is hot and has money.

The ex-wife also used to be hot, like a trophy wife "look at who I married" type.

So.
Just wondering if this is true.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

thats a article about it. Shows how shallow some people can be.

Obama is my homeboy.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/jonesp_photo/girls-obama-big.jpg

Obama is my homeboy.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u82/jonesp_photo/girls-obama-big.jpg
Thought you would go with:

That is apaulling :tongue:

still cracks me up!

obama does no pledge to our flag.. he is a muslim and looks up to other muslim (whom we are at war with)... he wants to take away our military by 75% or more......HE is most def not my homeboy

^You are an ignorant idiot. Look up your facts before spouting out false rumors. One Obama did not put his hand over his heart for the pledge and is really that important? Two Obama is a Christian, the Muslim thing was a false rumor spread by the Clinton campaign for their own personal gain. And what the hell are you talking about with the military? Do you mean he wants to reduce spending, pull out of Iraq, etc.?

wow, that is some ****ed up ****

obama does no pledge to our flag.. he is a muslim and looks up to other muslim (whom we are at war with)... he wants to take away our military by 75% or more......HE is most def not my homeboy

He's a Christian..

ugh...

They all are..

Has every president in history been a Christian? I'm getting tired of this..

anyway, He didn't put his hand over his heart, big deal, its just a big, americanized ritual. Perhaps he forgot? When you're standing in the presence of thousands of people you get a little confused.

And I haven't seen anything about him demilitarizing our country.

Stop listening to every word your parents tell you and do some research for yourself.

obama does no pledge to our flag.. he is a muslim and looks up to other muslim (whom we are at war with)... he wants to take away our military by 75% or more......HE is most def not my homeboy

We are not at war with muslims, but we are at war with muslim radicals. Saying that we are at war with muslims in general is just ignorant. There are muslims that live down my street, and I don't care. Thats what they believe in, and it is their right to believe that. Plus, Obama isn't even a muslim.

And who cares if he doesn't pledge to the flag. Does that really matter? 75%of the kids in my high school don't say the pledge, or even put their hand on their heart. Does that make them bad people? No.

Get your facts right.



As far as McCain goes, I think he is just going to continue with Bush's policies in just about everything, and America isn't going to progress much, or get out of the recession.

McCain held a no-press campain stop, and it just so happened that Bush was attending that one. What is McCain trying to cover up? Trying to avoid admitting that he is going to follow Bush's footsteps?

Thats my opinion on McCain.

during the research....=].......i watched a vid of him saying that his preacher was one of his greatest mentors....... l8tr i watched a vid of his preacher saying God D*** America.....uh?? wtf????? Obama says he will take our troops out of Iraq and other countries of that sort...which is stupid to the max..... he also i pro-abortion....lol.....but whatever :icon_bs:

during the research....=].......i watched a vid of him saying that his preacher was one of his greatest mentors....... l8tr i watched a vid of his preacher saying God D*** America.....uh?? wtf????? Obama says he will take our troops out of Iraq and other countries of that sort...which is stupid to the max..... he also i pro-abortion....lol.....but whatever :icon_bs:
wow..
That just shows your intelligence level on this subject.

What "sort" of country is America then huh?


He left that church. Because he felt that the message his pastor was giving was not proper, and didn't coincide with his beliefs.

OK..... it is still not very smart to have a muslim ( his dad is muslim and barack himself has 3 muslim names and atteneded a muslim school) as our president when we are at war with muslim "radicals"... and i think its goes a little differently with somebody running for our president to wear a flag pendant or pledge to our flag the a bunch of highschoolers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dude wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! say something that makes a lil bit of sense ok........

OK..... it is still not very smart to have a muslim ( his dad is muslim and barack himself has 3 muslim names and atteneded a muslim school) as our president when we are at war with muslim "radicals"... and i think its goes a little differently with somebody running for our president to wear a flag pendant or pledge to our flag the a bunch of highschoolers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dude wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! say something that makes a lil bit of sense ok........

Just look at that grammar and spelling of yours.
He has Muslim names.. SO? Maybe that's what his parents felt like naming him? It's irrelevant.

We've been at war with Christians before.
Should we have picked an atheist president for that specific purpose?

No.

Barack is running for president because this is where his loyalty lies. The U.S.

btw he left his church once it was brought into public eyes.....lol.....whatever
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I think that he would pledge, or suport the flag if his loyalty did lie with us. Sorry that my spelling and grammer were off???? lol

and i think its goes a little differently with somebody running for our president to wear a flag pendant or pledge to our flag the a bunch of highschoolers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dude wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! say something that makes a lil bit of sense ok........

first of all spell.

second, listen to cookie monster at 2:54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhbfELO_7kk

Just look at that grammar and spelling of yours.
He has Muslim names.. SO? Maybe that's what his parents felt like naming him? It's irrelevant.

We've been at war with Christians before.
Should we have picked an atheist president for that specific purpose?

No.

Barack is running for president because this is where his loyalty lies. The U.S.
I hate to say this, but berrys right.

Sike no i love saying

lol, he is right though.


btw he left his church once it was brought into public eyes.....lol.....whatever
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I think that he would pledge, or suport the flag if his loyalty did lie with us. Sorry that my spelling and grammer were off???? lol

Whos cares whether he said the pledge or not. I dont say the pledge, and thats only because im too tired to say it in the morning.

And hey, look at me

I LOVE AMERICA!

So dont question the bermeister

Or your gonna get beatdown.

OK..... it is still not very smart to have a muslim ( his dad is muslim and barack himself has 3 muslim names and atteneded a muslim school) as our president when we are at war with muslim "radicals"... and i think its goes a little differently with somebody running for our president to wear a flag pendant or pledge to our flag the a bunch of highschoolers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dude wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! say something that makes a lil bit of sense ok........

Idiot!!! One he's not a Muslim, quit being an ignorant tool and accepting whatever you see on tv. Two, those are not Muslim names, his father is from Kenya(a country in Africa if you don't know which wouldn't surprise me) and his name is Kenyan. Three, so all the sudden how good of a leader is determined by flag pendants and saying the pledge not things like foreign policies or his issues?

Seriously, I find it pathetic that here in the U.S. people have so much political freedom yet can have the decency to use to it's full extent to find out the truth in the presidential race.

ok, hav u guyz heard what obamas minister has said. NO REASONABLE WHITE (not to be raceist) AMERICAN COULD SUPPORT OBAMA AFTER WHAT HIS MISISTER SAID. And I know you are gunna give me crap like 'oh it was his mintister not him!' but HE FOLLOWED A MINISTER PRECHING THAT STUFF FOR YEARS!!! and anyways, the only good canadate was Romney!

^ I heard on the news that the only reason he went to that church was because his wife went there. And after the preacher preached that psycho stuff he left shortly there after.

Yeah, Obama was NOT the only one to leave that church.

Oprah left it too.

The guy went nuts.

ok, hav u guyz heard what obamas minister has said. NO REASONABLE WHITE (not to be raceist) AMERICAN COULD SUPPORT OBAMA AFTER WHAT HIS MISISTER SAID. And I know you are gunna give me crap like 'oh it was his mintister not him!' but HE FOLLOWED A MINISTER PRECHING THAT STUFF FOR YEARS!!! and anyways, the only good canadate was Romney!

Yes, I could. The reason why it seems so radical is because white America and black America see the country through different perspectives. You don't know what his preacher has been through or the racism he has experienced. The U.S.'s record on race isn't exactly squeaky clean and there have been many terrible things done to black people. While I don't agree with what Reverend Wright said I can see how he could feel that way and see that he is partly justified in what he says.

As for Romney, the dude was such a sleazy bastard. Seriously, who is so stereotypical that when they visit a predominantly black high school they say "who let the dogs out" before getting a picture or just other ridiculous things like "we need our children to have babies after they marry."

^ I heard on the news that the only reason he went to that church was because his wife went there. And after the preacher preached that psycho stuff he left shortly there after.

so you think that that was the ONLY time that he preached about that stuff??? And the NEWS isnt always right.

i dont know d00d. You might be right.

Yes, I could. The reason why it seems so radical is because white America and black America see the country through different perspectives. You don't know what his preacher has been through or the racism he has experienced. The U.S.'s record on race isn't exactly squeaky clean and there have been many terrible things done to black people. While I don't agree with what Reverend Wright said I can see how he could feel that way and see that he is partly justified in what he says.

As for Romney, the dude was such a sleazy bastard. Seriously, who is so stereotypical that when they visit a predominantly black high school they say "who let the dogs out" before getting a picture or just other ridiculous things like "we need our children to have babies after they marry."

I understand that Blacks haven't been treated the best, but why can't people leave that in the past, WHERE IT BELONGS!!! And the only frikin reason why people are voting for obama and were voting for Clinton is because all of the presidents have been white and male. But think about it, So far, the United States has NEVER lost a war!!! So maybe white males (srry if this sounds racist or sexist) is what keeps this country from losing a war! Also, think of Obama's full name: barrak HUSSAIN OBAMA. How much clearer could god (or whatever higher power is up there) make this message. HUSSAIN!!!!!! OBAMA (sounds like osama). THIS IS A SIGN FROM SOME HIGHER POWER, NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! HOW MUCH CLEARER COULD THIS BE!?!?!?!?

I understand that Blacks haven't been treated the best, but why can't people leave that in the past, WHERE IT BELONGS!!! And the only frikin reason why people are voting for obama and were voting for Clinton is because all of the presidents have been white and male. But think about it, So far, the United States has NEVER lost a war!!! So maybe white males (srry if this sounds racist or sexist) is what keeps this country from losing a war! Also, think of Obama's full name: barrak HUSSAIN OBAMA. How much clearer could god (or whatever higher power is up there) make this message. HUSSAIN!!!!!! OBAMA (sounds like osama). THIS IS A SIGN FROM SOME HIGHER POWER, NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! HOW MUCH CLEARER COULD THIS BE!?!?!?!?

You are an idiot. You honestly think racism is a thing of the past? While not as prominent today it still exists and it's important to remember past mistakes to avoid making them again.

And the only the reason some people aren't voting for the two is because they are either black or a woman. Intelligent people though will vote based on whether or not the agree with their views or not.

And honestly do you think the job of the president is to help us win wars? A good president would keep us out of war while not bringing harm to the U.S. or other countries as well dealing as other matters involving this country.

Also Barrack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim name it's Kenyan, his father was from there. Two, you honestly think a name dictates whether a person should be president? If so you are an idiot. Obama sounds like Osama, well guess what Rudolf sounds like Adolf so guess what? That's right the red nosed reindeer was a Nazi!

And even if God does exist, I doubt God would be concerned with such meager matters such as the presidential race. Seriously, come tell where in the Bible God shows us his political views through the names of candidates.

You are an idiot. You honestly think racism is a thing of the past? While not as prominent today it still exists and it's important to remember past mistakes to avoid making them again.

And the only the reason some people aren't voting for the two is because they are either black or a woman. Intelligent people though will vote based on whether or not the agree with their views or not.

And honestly do you think the job of the president is to help us win wars? A good president would keep us out of war while not bringing harm to the U.S. or other countries as well dealing as other matters involving this country.

Also Barrack Hussein Obama is not a Muslim name it's Kenyan, his father was from there. Two, you honestly think a name dictates whether a person should be president? If so you are an idiot. Obama sounds like Osama, well guess what Rudolf sounds like Adolf so guess what? That's right the red nosed reindeer was a Nazi!

And even if God does exist, I doubt God would be concerned with such meager matters such as the presidential race. Seriously, come tell where in the Bible God shows us his political views through the names of candidates.

Yea, but god uses signs!!! Also, if war may arive, and the president isnt capable of running a war, then america is screwed.

^And you know how God operates how? What? Do talk to him regularly about this. And of course the U.S. is screwed if the president isn't capable of running a war, look at where we are today. War is not the main issue of being president, you're an idiot if you think it is.

^And you know how God operates how? What? Do talk to him regularly about this. And of course the U.S. is screwed if the president isn't capable of running a war, look at where we are today. War is not the main issue of being president, you're an idiot if you think it is.

I know how god operates from... oh maybe THE BIBLE!!!

^And tell where does it say in the Bible that God gives us signs though names about which presidential candidate he supports?

Also what would you say to the people who say they know how God operates through the Koran or a holy book of Hinduism? Who really knows how God operates?

Well in mostly all holy books god uses signs. Not specifically on presidential canidates, but on lots of stuff.

^No, I want specifically in the Bible where it says God tells us want he wants through names? Not in most holy books, the Bible.

I understand that Blacks haven't been treated the best, but why can't people leave that in the past, WHERE IT BELONGS!!! And the only frikin reason why people are voting for obama and were voting for Clinton is because all of the presidents have been white and male. But think about it, So far, the United States has NEVER lost a war!!! So maybe white males (srry if this sounds racist or sexist) is what keeps this country from losing a war! Also, think of Obama's full name: barrak HUSSAIN OBAMA. How much clearer could god (or whatever higher power is up there) make this message. HUSSAIN!!!!!! OBAMA (sounds like osama). THIS IS A SIGN FROM SOME HIGHER POWER, NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! HOW MUCH CLEARER COULD THIS BE!?!?!?!?

Obama clearly isn't Muslim and if he was what's so wrong with that? The "War on Terror" is not against the Muslim faith, those are the kinds of generalizations that make us Americans look stupid. Please don't go there. :)

^No, I want specifically in the Bible where it says God tells us want he wants through names? Not in most holy books, the Bible.

there isnt any specific place, in the storys in the bible god uses signs!!!

^But it does not say anything about him using names as signs in presidential races so your statement about Obama's name being a "sign from God" can be concluded as idiotic shedding some light on your own intelligence.

Seriously, what's the logic in:

God uses signs in the Bible therefore Obama's name must be a sign from God because I don't like him.

^But it does not say anything about him using names as signs in presidential races so your statement about Obama's name being a "sign from God" can concluded as idiotic shedding some light on your own intelligence.

Seriously, what's the logic in:

God uses signs in the Bible therefore Obama's name must be a sign from God because I don't like him.

Dont blame me for low intelegance!!! IM ONLY 11!

But anyways, just cause it dosent say anything specificly about presidental canidate's names, dosen't mean that god dosent use signs.

dude, if you're 11, then wait till you know more about presidential races, and candidates when you're older. or, you could get your facts straight then come back here.

I know alot about the presidential race for my age, so go die.

Dont blame me for low intelegance!!! IM ONLY 11!

But anyways, just cause it dosent say anything specificly about presidental canidate's names, dosen't mean that god dosent use signs.

Here something I'll let you in on then.

1. There's no proof of God's existence but there is evidence that points away from the Bible's claims making it skeptical that the Bible is true.

2. Just because it says that God uses signs in the Bible doesn't mean that there are signs today. Hell, God flooded the Earth in the Bible does that mean there will be a flood across the whole Earth today in this present age? Of course not.

Seeing that you are only eleven I'm guessing that your religious views come from your parents, if this is true then I'd advise you not to accept everything they say as true especially when it comes to religion. Do some research for yourself and then decide what you think is true.

hmm telling me to go die? you're funny

Here something I'll let you in on then.

1. There's no proof of God's existence but there is evidence that points away from the Bible's claims making it skeptical that the Bible is true.

2. Just because it says that God uses signs in the Bible doesn't mean that there are signs today. Hell, God flooded the Earth in the Bible does that mean there will be a flood across the whole Earth today in this present age? Of course not.

Seeing that you are only eleven I'm guessing that your religious views come from your parents, if this is true then I'd advise you not to accept everything they say as true especially when it comes to religion. Do some research for yourself and then decide what you think is true.

I have done research. Are you any religion?

Atheist, what is this research you have done?

Alot. I cant even remember where. But why are you athiest? What are the chances that the earth just randomly was exsactly perfect for human life.

he can be atheist if he chooses, its a free country bro

So far, the United States has NEVER lost a war!!! So maybe white males (srry if this sounds racist or sexist) is what keeps this country from losing a war!
ever heard of VIETNAM? yea shut up. you're a stupid 11 year old brat who needs to actually figure out what they're talking about and learn to distinguish the truth from ignorant rumors started by mudslingers.



Also, think of Obama's full name: barrak HUSSAIN OBAMA. How much clearer could god (or whatever higher power is up there) make this message. HUSSAIN!!!!!! OBAMA (sounds like osama). THIS IS A SIGN FROM SOME HIGHER POWER, NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! HOW MUCH CLEARER COULD THIS BE!?!?!?!?

way to be a total right- wing dumb but. again, his names are KENYAN. and if you're going to bring "GOD" into this section you'd better be prepared to make some decent arguments (saying it's in the bible doesn't count)
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Dont blame me for low intelegance!!! IM ONLY 11!.
I know alot about the presidential race for my age, so go die.

so do you want people to treated differently for being an uneducated 11 year old or not?! or better yet grow up.



But anyways, just cause it dosent say anything specificly about presidental canidate's names, dosen't mean that god dosent use signs.

you're not helping yourself at all, saying "God'dunnit" means nothing to me, or a great number of others for that matter.

ever heard of VIETNAM? yea shut up. you're a stupid 11 year old brat who needs to actually figure out what they're talking about and learn to distinguish the truth from ignorant rumors started by mudslingers.

The U.S. achieved a ceasefire between North and South Vietnam, and successfully stopped the North's attack (thus stopping Vietnam from becoming a communist country). This was the goal in the first place.

Only two years later, after the U.S. had fully pulled out did the North invade again. But Nixon didn't keep his promise to help South Vietnam if invaded.

I know how god operates from... oh maybe THE BIBLE!!!

wtf. when did it become ok to let the bible and god influence our opinions on the presidential race

it doesnt matter though because you have no valid arguments and you really havent said an intelligent thing yet

lol

Planb2276 is just a troll, ignore 'it'

so if hussain is a kenyan name... is sadam hussian kenyan????lol..... and how could you not beleive In God...... how could this earth get here, how could our body's function without God in control.. don't give any that crap about "no proof".

Alot. I cant even remember where. But why are you athiest? What are the chances that the earth just randomly was exsactly perfect for human life.

So you've done a lot of research but can't even remember it? You know what that sounds like? :icon_bs:

The chances are greater than a creator making this universe. Who says it happened all in one go? There could have been multiple failed big bangs before our existence.

so if hussain is a kenyan name... is sadam hussian kenyan????lol..... and how could you not beleive In God...... how could this earth get here, how could our body's function without God in control.. don't give any that crap about "no proof".

No, so what's your point? His name sounds like some terrorist's name? I'll say it again, Obama sounds like Osama so Obama must be a terrorist too, right? Well guess what? Rudolf sounds like Adolf so guess what? The red-nose reindeer is a Nazi. That make much sense to you?

How could we be here without God? The big bang, evolution, all things with evidence pointing towards them instead just a dumb book.

Seriously Skate Llama, you seem like an even bigger idiotic, ignorant tool than Planb.

McCain FTW!

I seriously hope that he wins it. Thats all I have to say about it.

McCain FTW!

I seriously hope that he wins it. Thats all I have to say about it.

Can anyone say "Iran"?

What's sad is that you can't get elected unless you are a Christian.

And to they who think war is so great
nK2I-24ErKY
skip to 2:10 after that rap sh*t

Can anyone say "Iran"?

And by that you would mean??

^That Iran is next on the list of countries to invade if McCain were to be elected.

do you remember 9/11????????? do you????/ u want more of that???????? peace and luv right boys????.....lol wtf




pull a bill clinton and let terrorist do what they want....lol

do you remember 9/11????????? do you????/ u want more of that???????? peace and luv right boys????.....lol wtf




pull a bill clinton and let terrorist do what they want....lol

woah, 1) lay off the question marks 2)whaaaaaa??

do you remember 9/11????????? do you????/ u want more of that???????? peace and luv right boys????.....lol wtf


AL-QAIDA IS A GlOBAL ORGANIZATION!!! if they wanted to pull another 9/11 type attack they could do it right now. They aren't going to jump on their magic carpets if/when we leave Iraq.

they have tried retard..:icon_mad:.. many attacks on major cities have been foiled!


they hate us and want to kill us all....think about it:(

^^^ you're an idiot

read a book and do some research

OK..... it is still not very smart to have a muslim ( his dad is muslim and barack himself has 3 muslim names and atteneded a muslim school) as our president when we are at war with muslim "radicals"... and i think its goes a little differently with somebody running for our president to wear a flag pendant or pledge to our flag the a bunch of highschoolers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dude wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! say something that makes a lil bit of sense ok........

That was the only thing that made sense there. Besides, ummmm...who cares? You are trying to prove points that aren't relevant to the work that goes with being the president, and those little things aren't going to change. It's not like Obama is just gonna say "Oh, well I've had my name for a few decades now, but a few people don't like it, so I'm going to change the name I was given at birth to something more "people friendly" because I'm going to be the president forever so a lifelong namechange is needed."

Even if he was muslim, you don't think that being a muslim might benefit us in the war by having more "familliar" relations when negotiating things with the muslim radicals?? I think it would only benefit us.

they have tried retard..:icon_mad:.. many attacks on major cities have been foiled!


they hate us and want to kill us all....think about it:(

some examples of which would be?

^They tried to attack my house but because Bush is in office and we are still in Iraq the magical, invisible, anti-terrorist shield surrounding my home and everything within a hundred feet blocked their attacks from their magic carpets. Once Obama is inaugurated though the shield immediately falls and the terrorist will immediately be given extra boosters to their magic carpets and extra bombs to ensure a swift and prompt destruction of my home.

Moral of the story don't vote for Obama, his name sounds like Osama meaning he must be Muslim and a terrorist and is trying to destroy America.

so if hussain is a kenyan name... is sadam hussian kenyan????lol..... and how could you not beleive In God...... how could this earth get here, how could our body's function without God in control.. don't give any that crap about "no proof".

lmao the stupidity is comical

skating llama makes this thread interesting!

Keep posting your idiocy llama! Laughing makes me live longer!

Let's get back to McCain ditching his crippled wife. That wasn't very Christian of him. My homeboy Obama might have had a mouthy preacher, but at least he's not an adulterer.

Its so dumb when people say " dont vote for obama, becuase it sounds like osama. "

What the hell? The name has nothing to do with it.

Not only does it not matter if his name sounds like another terroists name, but even if his name WAS osama, it still wouldnt matter. Thats so stupid.

Remember, this is the Repugnantkin slime machine. They'll say anything to get their guy in office. Remember John Kerry and the Swift Boating stuff? Kerry is a decorated war veteran. Meanwhile Bush is a convicted drunk driver and cocaine abuser who used his father's influence to avoid military service like a little sissy rich boy coward so he could play with Daddy's money and be a failed MLB team owner and Saudi oil mullah polestroker.
http://sporkinthedrawer.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/28/bush_holds_hand.jpg
http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/blogs/council/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/6_22_bush_mission_banner1.jpg
http://mission-not-accomplished.com/Bush_codpiece.jpg

Obama is ridiculous, and so is McCain. The one that will have my vote this November (yes, I will be voting) is the one who doesn't want to force universal healthcare upon the people. Looks like I'm voting for McCain.
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Remember, this is the Repugnantkin slime machine. They'll say anything to get their guy in office. Remember John Kerry and the Swift Boating stuff? Kerry is a decorated war veteran. Meanwhile Bush is a convicted drunk driver and cocaine abuser who used his father's influence to avoid military service like a little sissy rich boy coward so he could play with Daddy's money and be a failed MLB team owner and Saudi oil mullah polestroker.
http://sporkinthedrawer.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/28/bush_holds_hand.jpg
http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/blogs/council/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/6_22_bush_mission_banner1.jpg
http://mission-not-accomplished.com/Bush_codpiece.jpg
I don't like Bush, but I also don't like unfair criticism. Let's not forget that Kerry has had his major flaws and shortcomings as well. Let's also not forget that GWB served in the Air Force for quite some time.

From what I hear Bush got one of those fancy free rides they give to those who can pay their way through private school as a C- student.

God forbid everyone had health insurance. Then the hospitals wouldn't be allowed to turn dying people away when they can't afford it. It's really the only humane thing to do.

What's wrong with universal health care?

We have that here in Norway and it's fine. Sure it has it's problems but at least everyone has a chance at getting what they need.

You know who doesn't want universal health care? rich motherf*ckers cause they can afford it anyway. Oh and of course health insurance companies and drug companies.

Bet you the moment you are f*cking scraping the sofa for dimes just to pay health insurance you will wish for universal health care.

I understand that Blacks haven't been treated the best, but why can't people leave that in the past, WHERE IT BELONGS!!! And the only frikin reason why people are voting for obama and were voting for Clinton is because all of the presidents have been white and male. But think about it, So far, the United States has NEVER lost a war!!! So maybe white males (srry if this sounds racist or sexist) is what keeps this country from losing a war! Also, think of Obama's full name: barrak HUSSAIN OBAMA. How much clearer could god (or whatever higher power is up there) make this message. HUSSAIN!!!!!! OBAMA (sounds like osama). THIS IS A SIGN FROM SOME HIGHER POWER, NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! HOW MUCH CLEARER COULD THIS BE!?!?!?!?
To quote my friend Noj, here.
It's impossible to take seriously such outlandish claims from just about anyone, much less someone who has difficulty spelling.
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And as fate itself would have it, Noj came in here right when I posted that.

lol...kerry only spent 3 months in vietnam......brave huh{rf)

Beats skipping combat entirely.

lol...kerry only spent 3 months in vietnam......brave huh{rf)

May I ask how long you've spent in a war that lets you decide how brave someone is?

during the research....=].......i watched a vid of him saying that his preacher was one of his greatest mentors....... l8tr i watched a vid of his preacher saying God D*** America.....uh?? wtf????? Obama says he will take our troops out of Iraq and other countries of that sort...which is stupid to the max..... he also i pro-abortion....lol.....but whatever :icon_bs:

hey lets rape his sister and see how he feels about abortion then.


and i seriously doubt you are even capable of doin research.


ignorant idiot
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so if hussain is a kenyan name... is sadam hussian kenyan????lol..... and how could you not beleive In God...... how could this earth get here, how could our body's function without God in control.. don't give any that crap about "no proof".

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your stupidity is immeasurable, its a miracle that you cna even use a computer
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Yea, but god uses signs!!! Also, if war may arive, and the president isnt capable of running a war, then america is screwed.
there was never a country that started war with the USA, They always bring themselves into these wars.
I understand that Blacks haven't been treated the best, but why can't people leave that in the past, WHERE IT BELONGS!!! And the only frikin reason why people are voting for obama and were voting for Clinton is because all of the presidents have been white and male. But think about it, So far, the United States has NEVER lost a war!!! So maybe white males (srry if this sounds racist or sexist) is what keeps this country from losing a war! Also, think of Obama's full name: barrak HUSSAIN OBAMA. How much clearer could god (or whatever higher power is up there) make this message. HUSSAIN!!!!!! OBAMA (sounds like osama). THIS IS A SIGN FROM SOME HIGHER POWER, NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! HOW MUCH CLEARER COULD THIS BE!?!?!?!?
ever heard about this country named vietnam? they whooped your asses.


and how can names be a sign by a higher power? plus, why would god even allow such an evil person to live or even run for president?
oh i forgot, he probably only has power over ignorant, white, stupid americans (like you), and doesnt even exist for people outside the US

lol...kerry only spent 3 months in vietnam......brave huh{rf)

thank you for addressing something that really doesn't matter while skipping over your own complete incompetence

What's wrong with universal health care?

We have that here in Norway and it's fine. Sure it has it's problems but at least everyone has a chance at getting what they need.

You know who doesn't want universal health care? rich motherf*ckers cause they can afford it anyway. Oh and of course health insurance companies and drug companies.

Bet you the moment you are f*cking scraping the sofa for dimes just to pay health insurance you will wish for universal health care.
What's wrong with it? Somebody has to pay for it! In order to pay for universal health care, who is going to take the pay cut?

I want competition between my doctors! I want them all to be competing for my money so that they fight to give me the best service for the lowest possible cost.

I think that people keep wanting to attack the wrong audiences when it comes to the ridiculously high health care costs. I haven't heard from anyone what I want to hear from a presidential candidate and that is to be more strict about lawsuits. Here's what happens: sue-happy people sue doctors all over the country for frivolous reasons. (I am excluding the obviously legitimate lawsuits.) Whether the sue-happy people win or not, it costs the doctor thousands + dollars to pay for even just the legal fees let alone the cost if they actually lose the lawsuit. The doctor then turns to his/her insurance company for aid. Since the insurance company has to be paying out money for all these lawsuits all the time, they start to charge doctors heavily for the insurance. The doctors then pass the cost of their heavy insurance on to the consumer. Hence, sue-happy people drastically increase the cost of health care.

Government run businesses do not work because there is a lack of competition. Let's just think of this for a second. Think of the Department of Motor Vehicles. The DMV is well-known for being absolutely awful for "customer service." There is no competition and therefore no reason for them to even care how quickly they can serve you. Give me an honest answer. If there was a place across the street that was legally capable of providing the same service as the DMV, however, they can have you in and out within 20 minutes. The only difference is that it costs 5 bucks for their service. Would you go across the street, pay the 5 bucks, and potentially save hours of sitting/standing in the DMV? You would receive better service because they are competing for your business. If they aren't competitive, they go out of business and you are left with the better service. Look at the mailing system. If you wanted a package to get to a location safely and as quickly as possible, would you go US Mail or UPS/FedEx?

Another huge problem with universal health care is, simply put, hypochondriacs. Many people will go to the doctor for ridiculous reasons and take up the time and finances of the doctors for a minor cold. If they don't have to pay any more, they'll just go whenever they feel like it. I am quite confident that there would also be some individuals that would use it as an excuse to get out of work, etc.

^ Isn't it amazing guys? I wonder if our beloved Jesus Christ was around today and was asked:

"Oh Jesus! Give us thy opinion! Should we allow EVERYONE the benefit to health care in America? Or should we obliterate the rights of 50,000,000+ Americans just to make it BETTER for the ones, like ourselves, that can afford it?

Oh Jesus! Shouldn't health care be super-fast for us because we're insured! I mean, the line is only faster because 50M+ people can't afford it, but that doesn't matter! Right Jesus?"

I am puzzled as to who's side Jesus would be on!

Well I haven't had any trouble with bad service or anything with the health care.

I crashed through a glass door late at night and got cut up really bad on my hands. Got stitched up immediately and the guy who did it was super nice.

Sprained my ankle once and got sent to an out of town hospital for x-rays(small town no x-rays there) via a taxi without having to pay for the taxi.(the trip would have cost 700 bucks)

Sure there are problems like nurses complaining they don't get enough pay etc.
Maybe I'm just lucky that I got injured at the right town at the right time. Met the right people in the right mood.

Everyone pays taxes so all these things can be possible. But at least we are not paying taxes right into the pockets of a few wealthy men ;)

What's wrong with it? Somebody has to pay for it! In order to pay for universal health care, who is going to take the pay cut?

Well, we certainly have enough money that we can keep pouring it into a useless war, if we were to pull out of that maybe we could spend money on things that matter.

^ Isn't it amazing guys? I wonder if our beloved Jesus Christ was around today and was asked:



I am puzzled as to who's side Jesus would be on!

Yeah man selfishness and greed. I am greedy and selfish but apparently I can't compare to Americans.
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Well, we certainly have enough money that we can keep pouring it into a useless war, if we were to pull out of that maybe we could spend money on things that matter.

Yeah war on terrorism my ass.

It's a war on everyone in the US.

Norway is a dream! Government keeps cutting back more and more on military expenses.

US government is so hooked on war. Land of the free founded by slave owners pointing their guns and bombs on every color.

Name a color we'll wipe it out!

^ I'm just amazed that the people who claim to strive to be like Jesus (ie: helping everyone) do the exact opposite and are completely oblivious (or ignorant) to it.

Like when these people say pathetic things like:

What's wrong with it? Somebody has to pay for it! In order to pay for universal health care, who is going to take the pay cut?

...what these people don't realize is it's everyone-helping-everyone. The ones who can afford pay slightly higher taxes for those who cant and as a result, everyone benefits and everyone is insured.

So, instead, these ignorant people who claim to love and want the best for everyone will occasionally say things like this:

I want competition between my doctors! I want them all to be competing for my money so that they fight to give me the best service for the lowest possible cost.

...the most important thing to them, apparently, is that they get the best health care. To hell with everyone who isn't insured, it's about me-me-me damnit and I love Jesus!

Now excuse me while I go pray for those who aren't insured, God will surely help them!

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FreestyleFred, as long as we're comparing health care to the DMV let's talk MOTIVATION. If you go into health care it's because you really want to help people(or it should anyways). You work at the DMV because you couldn't get yourself a GED, or you're retired from somewhere else.

I guess the idea is that those who work hard should have perks and those who doesn't should die.

Well not everyone has the chance of becoming great. If everyone became rocket scientists who's gonna pack the bags at the grocery store?

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razz, i have said it once, i will say it again.

YOU'RE A D!CK

why are you always trying to start conflicts?

i don't care that you're an atheist, but your posts are really negative and extremely hurtful to those that do believe in God.

this is a politics thread. keep the debate on that focus, not religion.

razz, i have said it once, i will say it again.

YOU'RE A D!CK

why are you always trying to start conflicts?

i don't care that you're an atheist, but your posts are really negative and extremely hurtful to those that do believe in God.

this is a politics thread. keep the debate on that focus, not religion.

hes not starting conflicts, hes just being reasonable and has common sense.

the amount of hipocrisy in the religion and politics section is just rediculous, someone has to point it out.

its the stupid people who start the conflicts, because they realize razz has a point.

Wait one question:


What does Obama being a good president have to do anything with religion? Seems to me it's better if we elect a president based who's smart and has common sense and intelligence, not just based on his religion.

Wait one question:


What does Obama being a good president have to do anything with religion? Seems to me it's better if we elect a president based who's smart and has common sense and intelligence, not just based on his religion.

thats how most of us in the thread feel, but somebody had to come in here and say not to vote for Obama because he may be a muslim and his name rhymes with Osama..lol...yall are some dorks...McCain, Clinton, and Obama are all free-masons so it really doesn't matter who you vote for. The only legit candidate was Ron Paul and that didn't work out too well. im probably gonna get flamed for this, but people need to go independent and not always stick to reps and dems..you sometimes get stuck voting for someone you don't want as president only because he's in your party/gang lol..and if you vote for someone who, say is green party, then your vote is "wasted."..its obvious that the u.s. and soon to be all of north america (research "North America Union" in google.) cannot run properly by a dem or rep...look at the last 220 years...what good came out of it?? honestly...nothing good only negatives turned neutral and some problems still exist...more and more are piling up as well...dont try to lowblow and mention the abolishment of slavery...because that shouldn't have happened in the first place....its like being rewarded for keeping a clean room..THATS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO! lol....i think if the u.s. really wants change we should all ditch the election and see what happens when only 1.5million people vote...and people dont vote for Obama because he's black!! vote for him only if you truly share the same views...if you dont, then see if you share views with mccain, if not, DONT VOTE!!! silence is the loudest statement!! or write your name on the ballot lol...

wow i ranted for kinda long lol

So true

People need to do some research for themselves, not just listen to the media or their parents.

Everyone has different opinions, don't base your facts solely on what someone thinks.

lol...kerry only spent 3 months in vietnam......brave huh{rf)
I'd like to see you get through it, quayle.

why are you always trying to start conflicts?

It's a debate section, that's what we do, we debate. I should be just as "offended" as you are when someone says that evolution has no scientific backing - but I don't, I challenge them on it.

Oh and by the way, I was browsing the Christian Section and saw the infamous 'Tyler Self' make a thread and said something like:

"Does God really talk to you? How do you know he does? Even Muslims, Jews, etc could say God talks to them, etc etc etc"

^ This was the argument I used against Tyler several, SEVERAL times - I always invoked other religions into the "God has talked to me equation" and it's obviously made him question his faith, so far ot the point where he actually said something in that thread about not really believing that God is talking to us at all.

I guess I must be doing something right.

Golly Gee, I hope McCain wins, otherwise America will join Al-Qaeda. Didn't you know Obama rhymes with Osama? It RHYMES! RHYMES!

Golly Gee, I hope McCain wins, otherwise America will join Al-Qaeda. Didn't you know Obama rhymes with Osama? It RHYMES! RHYMES!
OMGZ ITS SO OBVIOUSz0r!

well his name rhymes with osama so he must be al queda!! dont vote for him

^ Don't forget his middle name is...........HUSSEIN. That's right. You had saddam HUSSEIN, and then you had OSAMA bin laden

Now you have Barack "the Muslim" HUSSEIN "loves Al Queda" OSAMA and he's support by Hamas!!!! We must do something, let's start by praying

i think the only reason that people dont like razz is because he knows what hes on about.
Pretty much sums it up, sure he comes off as a little harsh sometimes, but thats called life.

Pretty much sums it up, sure he comes off as a little harsh sometimes, but thats called life.

I don't think he is harsh at all.

I don't think he is harsh at all.
I don't either, but people have been on his ass before for that reason.

What's wrong with universal health care?

We have that here in Norway and it's fine. Sure it has it's problems but at least everyone has a chance at getting what they need.

You know who doesn't want universal health care? rich motherf*ckers cause they can afford it anyway. Oh and of course health insurance companies and drug companies.

Bet you the moment you are f*cking scraping the sofa for dimes just to pay health insurance you will wish for universal health care.
I don't want anything forced upon me, nor do I want higher taxes. I want the government out of my life as much as possible. We, as individuals, should not have to pay for others' shortcomings.

I don't want anything forced upon me, nor do I want higher taxes. I want the government out of my life as much as possible. We, as individuals, should not have to pay for others' shortcomings.

I'd bet you'd love leaving in the early 1900s as the poor worker who gets sh** wages, hours, working condition, living conditions, etc.

It's a debate section, that's what we do, we debate.


listen i understand.

but there is a difference between debating and conflicting.

I'd bet you'd love leaving in the early 1900s as the poor worker who gets sh** wages, hours, working condition, living conditions, etc.
Mmmk.

By the way... it's "living," not "leaving."

Mmmk.

By the way... it's "living," not "leaving."

Of course you try to ignore the topic at hand by trying to shift the light to a simple spelling mistake, that's great debating skills.

So you'd still love living like that back then though? Back in in the glory days of laissez faire economics, I mean what was wrong with that?

I don't want anything forced upon me, nor do I want higher taxes. I want the government out of my life as much as possible. We, as individuals, should not have to pay for others' shortcomings.

This is one of the attitudes many conservatives display which really rubs me the wrong way. This stubborn resistance to use the government to help those less fortunate, as if less fortunate people deserve whatever negativity exists in their lives. It's just the flip-side of people who feel entitled to the good fortune America has afforded them, so they look down their noses at less successful people. They have no trouble funding wars, space missions, and ball parks with tax dollars, but they pitch a fit when it comes to using tax dollars to help poor folks or fund public schools as if these humane expenditures really represented something our government spends too much money on.

I see no reason why there can't be a universal health care system for people who can't afford it, and people who can afford health care on their own needn't be involved. In a modern, rich society like the USA, there's no reason why anyone should be denied health care. We can afford to care for our people. We can afford to give a damn.

Of course you try to ignore the topic at hand by trying to shift the light to a simple spelling mistake, that's great debating skills.

So you'd still love living like that back then though? Back in in the glory days of laissez faire economics, I mean what was wrong with that?

I could care less about debating buddy, I stated my two cents and I'm done. Sorry, but this is a skateboarding forum. I come here to talk about skateboarding, not to unearth great revelations about the revolutionary science of modern politics. I know you're fishing for more, but the pond is empty. Sorry man.

I don't want anything forced upon me, nor do I want higher taxes. I want the government out of my life as much as possible. We, as individuals, should not have to pay for others' shortcomings.


Just curious, if you (or your child) were born into poor families and had a terminal illness, would you still say the same thing?


listen i understand.

but there is a difference between debating and conflicting.


The only reason you're making this an issue is because I'm debating about religion, if it was anything else you wouldn't have a problem.

This is the 21st century, no more respecting "religions" for the sake of respecting them. It's time for people to put away their imaginary friends and grow up.

I could care less about debating buddy, I stated my two cents and I'm done. Sorry, but this is a skateboarding forum. I come here to talk about skateboarding, not to unearth great revelations about the revolutionary science of modern politics. I know you're fishing for more, but the pond is empty. Sorry man.

Then why did you come into the Religion and Politics section and post at all? By coming in here you are basically asking to have a debate started with you when you state your opinion.

Then why did you come into the Religion and Politics section and post at all? By coming in here you are basically asking to have a debate started with you when you state your opinion.

ok? I don't give a **** buddy.

I don't want anything forced upon me, nor do I want higher taxes. I want the government out of my life as much as possible. We, as individuals, should not have to pay for others' shortcomings.

i'd say its more like paying for the shortcomings of the country as a whole

a lot of the people who can't afford healthcare are the hardest working people you will ever meet yet they still can't make ends meet

there is something wrong with that

^Don't worry, ShredTheGnar doesn't give a ****.

OK..... it is still not very smart to have a muslim ( his dad is muslim and barack himself has 3 muslim names and atteneded a muslim school) as our president when we are at war with muslim "radicals"... and i think its goes a little differently with somebody running for our president to wear a flag pendant or pledge to our flag the a bunch of highschoolers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dude wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! say something that makes a lil bit of sense ok........

Dude your pretty dumb, I hope you NEVER vote cause you are brainwashed by what people tell you. Hes going to win and hes got my vote thats for damn sure.

For his name its just a name, it doesn't mean hes the type of person we're at war for just because of his name. In world war 2 did we take residents of the USA in jail cause they had german background and names, no we didn't. As for his dad, who cares what faith he is, I feel that your the type of person that likes bible beaters that push their faith on everyone all over the world, instead of sending aid you send your damn books over and teach people how to be a christian like thats going to help cure hunger.

We are at war with radicals if we were then we would just bomb the hell out of the middle east cause their all muslims and then we would go through killing those that lived through the bombs instead of killing the ones that kill US troops that they caught in the war out on the streets, kill people that help the US armed forces, kill innocent people. So I guess your saying we need to put more troops in the middle east to die like Bush is doing right now. (More Americans are killed then Muslim radicals I hope you know).

So you can say all those false things about him cause we know all your info is followed by the words "Paid for by McCain" or "Paid for by McCain followers". Think and do research on what each person stands firm on before you talk.

^Don't worry, ShredTheGnar doesn't give a ****.

Exactly!

In world war 2 did we take residents of the USA in jail cause they had german background and names, no we didn't.

Yet we did those of Japanese descent, such a shame really.

In world war 2 did we take residents of the USA in jail cause they had german background and names, no we didn't.


Well we lunched them, which isn't particularly helpful either; and like bbgenyak said, people of Japanese descent were placed in internment camps for most of the war. So much for the land of the free

ok? I don't give a **** buddy.

So you don't care, but still decide to post and argue...and when someone refutes your point you then go on a tirade of how you never really cared to begin with?

Are you just dumb?

Just curious, if you (or your child) were born into poor families and had a terminal illness, would you still say the same thing?

More than likely. Charities do a MUCH better job at helping than the government in almost every case...if people were not paying 30-40% of their income (and it's more than that when you start figuring gas tax, sales tax, tag tax, car tax, pet tax, etc...) they could help cairities eevn more.


This is one of the attitudes many conservatives display which really rubs me the wrong way. This stubborn resistance to use the government to help those less fortunate, as if less fortunate people deserve whatever negativity exists in their lives.

But, you forget their are a TON of people who choose to be "less fortunate" and are too lazy to work. I have worked in the public service for over 20 years, been to man...many houses where people choose not to work, draw welfare, food stamps, public housing, free medical care (yes...contrary to popular opinion poor people do get free health care today in the US) and it goes on and on.

We must as a Nation stop allowing perfectly health people to milk the system dry, we need to have limits on how long you can stay on welfare.

we have this thing in Australia where if you dont like working you go on the doll.
the doll is like getting a minimum wage but you dont have to work for it.
So if your someone of simple pleasures (skating, shelter and food) you could just live off other peoples money and have a permanent holiday.

This is how dumb poeple are, in australia we have this baby bonus. you get $3000 for having a baby. Since they brought it in, the population in Naree Warren has boomed. It's because it's a looser area and all the drop kicks and drugos go, "300 bucks?, oh great thats like 10 hits of heroin! *POP*"

I have nothing against unfortunate poor people who lack the skills or mental capacity to get themselfs out of a rut. but it's the dumb lazy poor people who drag this country down.
If you cant make a decent living in australia something is wrong with you.

Norway is a dream! Government keeps cutting back more and more on military expenses.

Wait till the radicals try and take over your counrty...then what?

I can tell you now there is no way I'm voting for Obama, sure I know he's not a Muslim but he's a horrable judge of people.
Sure he quit his church after his "preacher" was exposed as a quack but simple fact is he's attend and listened to that crap for over 20 years, did it really take him that long to figure it out? His other peacher friend is just as crazy.

I don't agree with his (and his wife's message) that others will have to give up even more to help others who have less. Because people have more gives the government the right to decide how much they can have and if someone decides they do have to much then it can be taken away and given to those who choose to have less....a very slippery slope.

I REALLY do not agree with his enery plan and his plan of "windfall profits taxes", that would be a disaster. I honestly find it ignorant to think it would work, corporations NEVER pay taxes....their customers do, adding that tax will only make things worse. We as a country are to blame becasue we have not used our own oil and gas. We have not built a dam, nuclear power plant, or new refinery in what over 30 years? and now we are surprised we are screwed? Wait till Iran goes really crazy and takes over the middle east and we get cut off and are sitting here with nothing...then what?

More than likely. Charities do a MUCH better job at helping than the government in almost every case...if people were not paying 30-40% of their income (and it's more than that when you start figuring gas tax, sales tax, tag tax, car tax, pet tax, etc...) they could help cairities eevn more.

If we weren't spending so much money on wars half way across the world, maybe we'd be able to spend a little more on our own people and not worry about it.


But, you forget their are a TON of people who choose to be "less fortunate" and are too lazy to work. I have worked in the public service for over 20 years, been to man...many houses where people choose not to work, draw welfare, food stamps, public housing, free medical care (yes...contrary to popular opinion poor people do get free health care today in the US) and it goes on and on.

We must as a Nation stop allowing perfectly health people to milk the system dry, we need to have limits on how long you can stay on welfare.

I don't think it is fair to judge all poor people by their worst representatives. I'd have no problem with making welfare similar to unemployment, in which a person receiving benefits must prove that he/she is seeking to become self-sufficient in order to continue receiving benefits.


Here's a chart showing how our government is spending our tax dollars. (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/) Clearly we can divide this pie in more efficient ways. It would be great if our representatives, particularly on the Republican side of the aisle, would return to their fiscally conservative ways instead of spending us into unforeseen debt.

I find it difficult to believe that any serious voter would be willing to judge Obama based on the words of his former preacher rather than Obama's voting record or Obama's OWN words. Here's (http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm) a website which keeps track of where the candidates stand on all the important issues, based on their own statements and voting records. I also find it difficult to believe that anyone would think another four years of Republican leadership is in order with the disastrous eight years of this idiot Bush coming to a close.

Where Iran is concerned, it sure would have been great if we had decided against invading Iraq so that our military resources wouldn't be spread so thin. Then we'd have more leverage with Iran. Since our main concern is ensuring access to oil supplies, any offensive measures taken against Iran would choke our oil supplies so severely our entire way of life would come screeching to a halt. They'd shut down the Persian Gulf.

I REALLY do not agree with his enery plan and his plan of "windfall profits taxes", that would be a disaster. I honestly find it ignorant to think it would work, corporations NEVER pay taxes....their customers do, adding that tax will only make things worse. We as a country are to blame becasue we have not used our own oil and gas. We have not built a dam, nuclear power plant, or new refinery in what over 30 years? and now we are surprised we are screwed? Wait till Iran goes really crazy and takes over the middle east and we get cut off and are sitting here with nothing...then what?

So, you're in favor of continuing down the same road Bush has led us down. McCain's approach is simply to keep doing things the way Bush has been doing them. Boy, that's worked out great so far! :icon_bs:

If only a good candidate where running :icon_snif

If we weren't spending so much money on wars half way across the world, maybe we'd be able to spend a little more on our own people and not worry about it.

Maybe, but even before the war that didn't seem to be the case as far as national health care.


I don't think it is fair to judge all poor people by their worst representatives. I'd have no problem with making welfare similar to unemployment, in which a person receiving benefits must prove that he/she is seeking to become self-sufficient in order to continue receiving benefits.

And it's not fair to judge the rich by theirs. Simple FACT is we have cities full of healthy and capable people who would rather stay at home, drink, make more babies, and let the tax payers pay their way.

Clearly we can divide this pie in more efficient ways.

The Obama's are not talking about splitting that pie, they are talking about splitting the "pie" of what I make even more. They think and preach that the well off should help the not-so-well off till we are "all even" as much ass possible. Dude, that is socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism).

I find it difficult to believe that any serious voter would be willing to judge Obama based on the words of his former preacher rather than Obama's voting record or Obama's OWN words.

I agree. I question his JUDGMENT for sitting in that same Church for over 20 years and not realizing the hate he was hearing. Speaking of his voting record I disagree with it too. He wants to repeal the 2nd amendment and remove the right to carry arms...check his voting record.

... Then we'd have more leverage with Iran.

Do you think there is any irony to the fact the we are right next door today?

Since our main concern is ensuring access to oil supplies, any offensive measures taken against Iran would choke our oil supplies so severely our entire way of life would come screeching to a halt. They'd shut down the Persian Gulf.

Agreed again, which is my point that we need to start drilling for our own oil now and stop making the Arabs rich.



So, you're in favor of continuing down the same road Bush has led us down. McCain's approach is simply to keep doing things the way Bush has been doing them. Boy, that's worked out great so far! :icon_bs:

Read my sig and stop watching so much news and understand how war works. We went to war with Japan and Germany over 50 years ago...guess what? We are STILL THERE. McCain's statement was fact, we may have to have a presence in Iraq for years...given the facts of what's going on in Iran right now is that a bad thing? But, if come election time and I see Barr has no chance, sure I'm voting for McCain over Obama any day. I keep hearing 4 more years of Bush....cleaver quote but not totally true.

He wants to repeal the 2nd amendment and remove the right to carry arms...check his voting record. That's a large issue with me. His past voting record on the right to bear arms is absolutely horrendous to us firearm enthusiasts.

Maybe, but even before the war that didn't seem to be the case as far as national health care.

The only thing I'd like to see happen with health care is making sure people aren't turned away from hospitals if they need help. As long as we're being humane, I'm with the program.


And it's not fair to judge the rich by theirs. Simple FACT is we have cities full of healthy and capable people who would rather stay at home, drink, make more babies, and let the tax payers pay their way.

The fact is more people work for a living than leech one off the government. Like I said, I see nothing wrong with making moochers accountable, but to demonize the entire system as if it were doing no good whatsoever is not something I agree with.


The Obama's are not talking about splitting that pie, they are talking about splitting the "pie" of what I make even more. They think and preach that the well off should help the not-so-well off till we are "all even" as much ass possible. Dude, that is socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism).


From where I sit, this republic needs a dose of socialism to reel in the richest of the rich. There are about 400 people who combined control nearly 8% of all the profits in America, and they pay the same amount in taxes under Bush's plan as people who make between $50,000 and $75,000 per year. Is that fair?


I agree. I question his JUDGMENT for sitting in that same Church for over 20 years and not realizing the hate he was hearing. Speaking of his voting record I disagree with it too. He wants to repeal the 2nd amendment and remove the right to carry arms...check his voting record.


I question the judgment of anyone who sits in any church and takes it seriously, but it's tough to get anyone but a Christian elected. I don't think Obama could possibly get the 2nd amendment repealed--and I'd oppose that idea as well.


Do you think there is any irony to the fact the we are right next door today?


Yes, the irony is we ousted the only secular government in the region when we should have saved our biggest punch for the Muslim loonies running Iran.


Agreed again, which is my point that we need to start drilling for our own oil now and stop making the Arabs rich.


There's not enough oil on our own soil to stop dependence on Arab nations. That's why Bush is so chummy with the Saudis, and they're just as rotten if not worse than the Iranians are or Saddam was.


Read my sig and stop watching so much news and understand how war works. We went to war with Japan and Germany over 50 years ago...guess what? We are STILL THERE. McCain's statement was fact, we may have to have a presence in Iraq for years...given the facts of what's going on in Iran right now is that a bad thing? But, if come election time and I see Barr has no chance, sure I'm voting for McCain over Obama any day. I keep hearing 4 more years of Bush....cleaver quote but not totally true.

I don't watch TV news. It looks to me like the war in Iraq has "worked" exactly like Cheney knew it would way back in 1994:
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Do you really need to wait until election time to know Barr has no chance?

The only thing I'd like to see happen with health care is making sure people aren't turned away from hospitals if they need help.

Visit your local ER/hospital and have a look around, free healthcare everywhere. We have local free clinics in some poor areas too.


From where I sit, this republic needs a dose of socialism to reel in the richest of the rich.

We live in a capitalist society, people who want socialism should take residence in China. Sorry, I came from a very poor family and grew up in a trailer, I studied and worked hard (2 jobs when my kids were small) to have what I have now, I give back but do not favor having it forcefully taken from me.

Is that fair?

Is that accurate?



Yes, the irony is we ousted the only secular government in the region

Huh?

There's not enough oil on our own soil to stop dependence on Arab nations.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002463368_oilstudy01.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/04/MNGIEKV0D41.DTL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale

That's not even talking about ANWR, other parts of the country, or off shore.

So, are you in favor of a windfall profits tax?

I don't think Obama could possibly get the 2nd amendment repealed--and I'd oppose that idea as well. I am not worried about him repealing it entirely, I am just against all the restrictions that would come about.

Visit your local ER/hospital and have a look around, free healthcare everywhere. We have local free clinics in some poor areas too.

That's good. And humane.


We live in a capitalist society, people who want socialism should take residence in China. Sorry, I came from a very poor family and grew up in a trailer, I studied and worked hard (2 jobs when my kids were small) to have what I have now, I give back but do not favor having it forcefully taken from me.


That's very dramatic.


Is that accurate?


Yep. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/national/class/HYPER-FINAL.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1214874465-RlF29zhNzzTgqpfJ9tvnKg)




Huh?


Iraq was a secular government.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002463368_oilstudy01.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/09/04/MNGIEKV0D41.DTL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale

That's not even talking about ANWR, other parts of the country, or off shore.


Sounds good to me. Tap it! Of course, the cost of drilling and refining will be pushed off on the consumers. More record profits for the oil companies! I think that was Bush's goal throughout his presidency--to get access to foreign oil, get record profits for his friends in the oil industry, and to tap any North American oil resources available. It's win win win for Big Oil! Never mind the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis, screw them.


So, are you in favor of a windfall profits tax?

It's tough to say. If taxed the oil companies will simply raise prices to compensate. I am in favor of getting the Republicans out of office at whatever cost. They've got us by the balls, whatever loosens the stranglehold is a step in the right direction.

But, you forget their are a TON of people who choose to be "less fortunate" and are too lazy to work.

Do you have any evidence for this?

I use to think the same thing about homeless people, that they chose (not literally of course) to be where they're at because they were too lazy to work...I later learned that most of them had psychological problems that led them to such scenarios.

And how does Universe health care equate to socialism?

There are about 400 people who combined control nearly 8% of all the profits in America, and they pay the same amount in taxes under Bush's plan as people who make between $50,000 and $75,000 per year. Is that fair?

Yep. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/05/national/class/HYPER-FINAL.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1214874465-RlF29zhNzzTgqpfJ9tvnKg)

Sorry...your post was not accurate. Re-read the article, they pay the same percentage...which I have no problem with.

¶Under the Bush tax cuts, the 400 taxpayers with the highest incomes - a minimum of $87 million in 2000, the last year for which the government will release such data - now pay income, Medicare and Social Security taxes amounting to virtually the same percentage of their incomes as people making $50,000 to $75,000.

Do you have any evidence for this?

I use to think the same thing about homeless people, that they chose (not literally of course) to be where they're at because they were too lazy to work...I later learned that most of them had psychological problems that led them to such scenarios.

And how does Universe health care equate to socialism?

Do you have proof they don't? I used to work hiring and interviewing people, we always knew the ones who were there just to have a application submitted...usually chewing gum, bringing their kids, and just general BS. Again, I have worked in the public service for a long time, people can choose to stay down or they can work and do something, I don't consider skipping/dropping out of school, joining gangs, sitting on the porch drinking all day not choosing to remain poor. People can work their way from the bottom, just ask Michell Obama.

And, no universal healthcare doesn't = socialism, the government taking from the well off giving to the poor so we all are equal is...but you already knew that.

Sorry...your post was not accurate. Re-read the article, they pay the same percentage...which I have no problem with.

¶Under the Bush tax cuts, the 400 taxpayers with the highest incomes - a minimum of $87 million in 2000, the last year for which the government will release such data - now pay income, Medicare and Social Security taxes amounting to virtually the same percentage of their incomes as people making $50,000 to $75,000.


Well, that's what I meant and I do have a problem with it. I don't need to re-read the article to change one word. It doesn't take a math genius to see how 30% of $50,000 is going to impact that taxpayer much more severely than 30% of $87,000,000 is going to impact a multi-millionaire.

This is the same reason that I feel traffic violations should be relative to yearly income. Since tickets won't cost rich people enough to bother them, they can basically drive like complete jerks. And it's true, out here in LA people in BMWs and Benzes are often the ones speeding, cutting people off, driving as if they are the most important person on the road and the rules don't apply to them.


Do you have proof they don't? I used to work hiring and interviewing people, we always knew the ones who were there just to have a application submitted...usually chewing gum, bringing their kids, and just general BS. Again, I have worked in the public service for a long time, people can choose to stay down or they can work and do something, I don't consider skipping/dropping out of school, joining gangs, sitting on the porch drinking all day not choosing to remain poor. People can work their way from the bottom, just ask Michell Obama.

One person clawing their way up from the bottom doesn't prove that the others aren't trying, and it also doesn't preclude helping people as far as I'm concerned.


And, no universal healthcare doesn't = socialism, the government taking from the well off giving to the poor so we all are equal is...but you already knew that.

Nice elitist wording.