http://youtube.com/watch?v=2GafDEWeEVc
in the video when your in nollie
does the direction of fs and bs change?
or is it still teh same :o
cause people keep argueing about it .
and if it do changes, so when you do a nollie tre its a 360FS shuvit and a kickflip?
o.o
thanks .

Yes it changes in Nollie. Therefore a nollie tre is a nollie 360 fs shove shove it with a kickflip.

that's backside. and yeah, a nollie tre is technically frontside

ya it changes in nollie so that video was actually a nollie bs bigspin

ohh thats interesting :OO
i learned something new everyday :D

Yup, Nollie FS/BS changes.

try posting a link to this page in the comments or something.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2GafDEWeEVc
like that ?^^ o.o

wow.. i also learned something new...
fs/bs make no sense to me when doing tricks

Wow so I guess I just learned how to back 180 nollie then.

yes it changes, but its be ultra stupid and confusing not to just call a nollie tre a nollie tre.

i like the term blind side.
like fs 180 ollie = blind side. bs 180 ollie = 180.
nollie bs 180 = blind side. nollie fs 180 = nollie 180
:D
im stupid

i like the term blind side.
like fs 180 ollie = blind side. bs 180 ollie = 180.
nollie bs 180 = blind side. nollie fs 180 = nollie 180
:D
im stupid

indeed, that made no sense at all, since technically for a nollie bs 180 you rotate in the same direction as for a regular one, you just start off the nose.

Yeah it's not really that it 'changes', it's just that it doesn't matter whether you pop off the nose or the tail, frontside and backside stay unchanged. Fakie is not a 'switch nollie', it's like regular stance going backwards, so basically the rules of regular stance still apply to it.

It's whatever part of you is facing forwards after 90 degrees of rotation, so If your back is facing the direction you're going in then it's bs, fs for your front. So therefore in nollie, the same rules apply.

i don't do it that way, that is so stupid
if my foot is in a position to tre, i would call that BS any stance
and if its in a fs pop shove it position i would call if FS
the other way is really lame and retarted

indeed, that made no sense at all, since technically for a nollie bs 180 you rotate in the same direction as for a regular one, you just start off the nose.

not true?

god.
maybe it is?
i dont even know anymore.
this thread killed my sense of fs and bs.

okies i get what you mean
then how come when you do a backside boardslide your 90 degree angle is frontside
so shouldnt it be frontside boardslide? o_x

^With rails it is not the direction you turn, it's which way you were facing the rail.

With non-grinds, If your front is facing forwards at 90 degrees of rotation, it is frontside. If your back is facing forwards at 90 degrees of rotation, it is backside.

It's really simple... I don't know why people try and make it confusing by switching it around and such.

what if you were in nollie and do a boardslide were any direction change? o.o

i don't do it that way, that is so stupid
if my foot is in a position to tre, i would call that BS any stance
and if its in a fs pop shove it position i would call if FS
the other way is really lame and retarted

It's only 'lame and retarded' because you fail to understand it, in fact it's completely logical.

Blazz741, for grinds and slides backside and frontside never get switched around. A nollie f/s boardslide would be just like a regular f/s boardslide, you just pop off the nose in order to get onto the obstacle rather than the tail.

Man im not going to even bother with this thread. Its gonna make me so confused and annoyed. So do people call nollie bs 360 shove kickflips nollie tres, or nollie 360 hardflips?

okies thanks but one more question :o
for an outside boardslide is there even fs or bs for it ?
what if you were gonna do it sliding backwards like a fs boardslide but since theres two objects how do you know which direction its facing?

what if you were in nollie and do a boardslide were any direction change? o.o
No, but remember this.

This is not a nollie boardslide:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ne43rwS_F4

That is a nollie lipslide. Were it actually a nollie boardslide, he would have had to nollie almost over the rail, and land in a FS boardslide.

Ohhh i get it
it makes sense when you think about .
:o
thanks .

The best way to think about it, is as soon as you're in the air, you're in regular stance.
(Minus fliptricks "except shoves")


okies thanks but one more question :o
for an outside boardslide is there even fs or bs for it ?
what if you were gonna do it sliding backwards like a fs boardslide but since theres two objects how do you know which direction its facing?

Outside boardslides don't have fs or bs.


Man im not going to even bother with this thread. Its gonna make me so confused and annoyed. So do people call nollie bs 360 shove kickflips nollie tres, or nollie 360 hardflips?

Nollie 360 Hardflips

yeah it changes

hahah me and my friend always argue about that back in the day

I think it might help to understand where the terms frontside and backside even come from. They're old surfing terms. They referred to which side of your body the wave was on when you made a turn. Ok lets say you're regular footed and you're looking at a wave. You carve up it and turn to the right and kick turn down it. As you are turning the wave is going to be behind you, your back side. If you were to go up and carve off to the left and kick turn the wave would be in front of you as you turn, you're front side. Notice when you turn backside on a wave your foot on the tail moves in the direction your back is facing. When you go front side your foot on the tail moves in the direction your front is facing. So when you get off the waves and go to skateboarding those are the general rules we use. Whatever foot you're jumping off of or pivoting on will move or pivot in the direction you're going. So a backside ollie you'll find the foot you snap the tail with will move towards your back side. When you go frontside it will go front side. So if you are snapping a fakie ollie and the foot you jump from moves towards your back side guess which way you're turning? That's why half-cabs are also known as fakie backside 180's. Hope this helps some.

wow.. i also learned something new...
fs/bs make no sense to me when doing tricks
Think of it like this.

A backside trick always exposes your back to the direction your skating. Frontside always exposes your stomach the direction your skating. Backside tricks are always blind tricks, period.

It does change

That's why half-cabs are also known as fakie backside 180's. Hope this helps some.Mm no....that's why they can be called Fakie frontside 180's :)

Okay I'll try to simplify this further. When you do a backside 180 from a regular stance your right foot will act as a pivot or center point of a circle or arc. As you turn your left foot will draw the outside of the circle. Assuming you know your left from right and are familiar with shapes I hope you've followed me this far. Now this is called a backside 180 because as you draw that arc or circle your BACKside faces outward towards the arc. Now when you set up fakie your foot again is the pivot point or center of the arc or circle. As you rotate your left foot again draws the outside of the circle and if your back is facing outward to the circle then you my friend, are doing a fakie backside 180. Also known as a half-cab.

So recap here. If your back faces outward to the circle of rotation you're going backside. If your front is facing outward to the circle of rotation you're going frontside.

If you're regular footed and jump off your right foot turning to your left it's ALWAYS frontside whether you're going fakie or ollie. If you jump off your right foot and turn to your right shoulder it's ALWAYS backside for fakie or ollie. If you jump off your left foot and turn to your left shoulder it's ALWAYS backside and if you turn to your right shoulder it's ALWAYS frontside whether you're going switch or nollie.

I don't think I can explain it any easier than that. You're either going to understand it or forever get it wrong and confuse the hell out of newer skaters around you.

To simplify it even further I just tell people to replace the imaginary 'wave' you mention by an imaginary quarterpipe. If you're facing the coping you're doing a frontside trick (whether it's a kickturn, an air or a grind doesn't matter), if you're facing away from the coping you're doing a backside trick. That works with regular stance, nollie stance (which is only a derivate from regular stance, a nollie is just a 'nose ollie' after all), and switch stance (the rules that apply are the ones an opposite-footed skater would go by). Fakie stance is just regular stance while going backwards ('switch nollies' don't exist), therefore the same rules as regular stance apply, you're just riding backwards.

It's only 'lame and retarded' because you fail to understand it, in fact it's completely logical.

Blazz741, for grinds and slides backside and frontside never get switched around. A nollie f/s boardslide would be just like a regular f/s boardslide, you just pop off the nose in order to get onto the obstacle rather than the tail.


No i understand it fine
i just think it's dumb that a Nollie tre flip is actually a fs 360 shove with a kickflip, thats really stupid. So I do it the other way

Okay I'll try to simplify this further. When you do a backside 180 from a regular stance your right foot will act as a pivot or center point of a circle or arc. As you turn your left foot will draw the outside of the circle. Assuming you know your left from right and are familiar with shapes I hope you've followed me this far. Now this is called a backside 180 because as you draw that arc or circle your BACKside faces outward towards the arc. Now when you set up fakie your foot again is the pivot point or center of the arc or circle. As you rotate your left foot again draws the outside of the circle and if your back is facing outward to the circle then you my friend, are doing a fakie backside 180. Also known as a half-cab.

So recap here. If your back faces outward to the circle of rotation you're going backside. If your front is facing outward to the circle of rotation you're going frontside.

If you're regular footed and jump off your right foot turning to your left it's ALWAYS frontside whether you're going fakie or ollie. If you jump off your right foot and turn to your right shoulder it's ALWAYS backside for fakie or ollie. If you jump off your left foot and turn to your left shoulder it's ALWAYS backside and if you turn to your right shoulder it's ALWAYS frontside whether you're going switch or nollie.

I don't think I can explain it any easier than that. You're either going to understand it or forever get it wrong and confuse the hell out of newer skaters around you.
I understand what you're saying and it's totally natural to think that. But it isn't true.

Go look in a skate magazine for some nollie and fakie tricks.

I realize it's retarded that tricks change when your riding backwards (nollie or fakie) but it's still technically correct.

No i understand it fine
i just think it's dumb that a Nollie tre flip is actually a fs 360 shove with a kickflip, thats really stupid. So I do it the other way

Actually boobies brings up a good point..

Would a Nollie 360 flip technically be a Nollie 360 hardflip?

okies thanks i would rep all you guys but i dont know how :O
thanks for clearing htings up :D

I understand what you're saying and it's totally natural to think that. But it isn't true.

Go look in a skate magazine for some nollie and fakie tricks.

I realize it's retarded that tricks change when your riding backwards (nollie or fakie) but it's still technically correct.

You do realize that frontside nollies and a fakie frontside ollies don't look the same at all right ? And nollie isn't riding backwards, nollie is popping off the nose but theoritically you're still in regular stance. Which is why frontside and backside go the same way regardless of whether you pop off the tail (ollie) or the nose (nollie). I'm not sure if I got the point of your post right.

Berishman : I don't see anything wrong in saying that a nollie 360 flip is a nollie f/s 360 shove with a kickflip. It's all about how the trick looks / is done, not about how it's called.

yeah. a flip trick is named by how it flips, not the direction. Meaning, if it's a tre flip, then it's a tre flip, regardless of whether it's technically frontside or backside.