Well, Roman catholics at least.

So, christianity in general, they can argue all they want because it's such a broad topic and most of it is infinite in what you can discuss/argue, so I decided to take it down a peg, and focus on one sect of christianity, seeing as everyone's got it right, despite the fact that there's a need for multiple sects... cough, not the point, ANYWAYS.

So there are over a billion catholics in the world, that's around 2/11 of the world population, that's a pretty significant number. So what exactly is it that's right about catholicism, I find it pretty hilarious, seeing as, out of all the sects of christianity, it's the easiest to argue against.

-First off, there's the ridiculously large amount of priests fondling young alter boys, you know, the leaders of the religion can't even abide by moral standards much less it's own rules.
-Secondly, why the heck can the pope decree new sins? If they were sins, they'd have always been sins, and should always have been sins. Something doesn't become a sin, it's either always a sin or not a sin at all, and on that matter, what happens to those people who lived their life perfect and are up in heaven, but say were ridiculously wealthy, and now that immense wealth is a sin, they should by all means burn in hell, despite having done nothing wrong in their time on earth.
-Third, Vatican city is so seperated from the real world by now (in the sense that they just aren't with the times) that anything they say really can't/shouldn't be taken too seriously, if times change so much new sins need to be dealt out (which I already discussed my problem with), then do you really want to be listening to someone who won't even keep up to date in societal customs?

More like all religion is misled.

-First off, there's the ridiculously large amount of priests fondling young alter boys, you know, the leaders of the religion can't even abide by moral standards much less it's own rules.


much less the law

Hehe, you didn't even get to the fact that most of the Catholics doctrines are completely made up and are not at all based on the bible, just to either a.) Get more people to join or b.) Keep people from leaving.

better get them some ice for that burn.

Lol I thought this would be an interesting theory. Its just a slagging. Read your signature dude.

with all due respect to all the religous idiots (i mean people) = Religon is fake.

with all due respect to all the religous idiots (i mean people) = Religon is fake.
I wish I could be that mature!

Oh wait, no I don't.

Misled? No they only have a pope that hasn't read the bible and is covered in gold from head to toe that thinks he can judge just because God is so slow doing so.

Lol I thought this would be an interesting theory. Its just a slagging. Read your signature dude.

It's not really a slagging unless you can't find any way to refute any of this, then I suppose it's a slagging, right now I'm asking questions in the form of statements, present me contradictory facts and I'll be willing to discuss.

p.s. what does my signature say?

Wow you guys are a bunch of *******s. At least I can say my religion(Catholicism) was created by Jesus himself. And not some dumbass danish guy that lived in the 16th century.


1. Ok just because a few psycho perverts happened to be priests doesn't mean the other 99% of priests are like that. You obviously have never met a Catholic priest.

2. Why not? Why shouldn't he be able to declare new sins with the changing of the world? Its not like they are crazy sins. 1. Polluting the environment on purpose. I don't see a problem with that one. Genetically alter yourself. Why change what god has made you?

3. Who cares if they don't use technology or what ever else like everyone else?

You need to grow up, you are the one misinformed.

More like all religion is misled.

Misled?, please prove that to me. Oh wait!, you can't!

with all due respect to all the religous idiots (i mean people) = Religon is fake.

And wheres you scientific proof to that? Oh thats right you can't prove that a god doesn't exist. You are way too close minded..

Wow you guys are a bunch of *******s. At least I can say my religion(Catholicism) was created by Jesus himself. And not some dumbass danish guy that lived in the 16th century.


1. Ok just because a few psycho perverts happened to be priests doesn't mean the other 99% of priests are like that. You obviously have never met a Catholic priest.

2. Why not? Why shouldn't he be able to declare new sins with the changing of the world? Its not like they are crazy sins. 1. Polluting the environment on purpose. I don't see a problem with that one. Genetically alter yourself. Why change what god has made you?

3. Who cares if they don't use technology or what ever else like everyone else?

You need to grow up, you are the one misinformed.



Misled?, please prove that to me. Oh wait!, you can't!



And wheres you scientific proof to that? Oh thats right you can't prove that a god doesn't exist. You are way too close minded..

How about obscene wealth? and I don't remember the words exactly, but I don't recall that you needed to *purposely* pollute the environment.

And with the number of catholic priests that were "tempted" away, I don't think it's even possible that 99% are good, it's probably closer to 95%, maybe even less, it's a pretty big problem.

And why change gods word? if you're saying your religion is so great cause it was given by jesus himself, not changed 400 years ago, then why are you allowed to change it now? Either gods word is right, or it's wrong and the pope needs to change it.

How about obscene wealth? and I don't remember the words exactly, but I don't recall that you needed to *purposely* pollute the environment.

And with the number of catholic priests that were "tempted" away, I don't think it's even possible that 99% are good, it's probably closer to 95%, maybe even less, it's a pretty big problem.

And why change gods word? if you're saying your religion is so great cause it was given by jesus himself, not changed 400 years ago, then why are you allowed to change it now? Either gods word is right, or it's wrong and the pope needs to change it.

The obscene wealth is from money DONATED to help fund the church. The church is HUGE, its not just some random church in a city. It wouldn't be able to run with the money one single church gets.

Also if you are driving a car it wouldn't count as a sin. But if you are droping barrels of toxic waste into a lake then it would be a sin.

Catholic priests are some of the nicest guys I've ever met. Priests are humans too, if a human can be a pervert. Why couldn't a human who decided to be a priest be? You act as if that since the Catholic thats what makes them be perverts. Being Catholic has NOTHING to do with it.So what if a few are "tempted" just because they are catholic they get the news coverage on them. Since the Catholic church is so big. Compared to the small individual churches in each city.

I'm not saying is the best religion. I'm just saying it was created by Jesus and not some random dude.And if you are knocking down on Catholicism you are also knocking down Jesus.

If someone is protestant or something I think no differently about him. As long as they have an open mind. And don't hate on something they don't understand.

They did not change his word. They just added to it to clarify stuff in todays world as a sin.

Do you not think that getting your self genetically altered and changing what god made should be a sin?

I'm just saying why do people always have hate on Catholicism. Its mainly because they don't know **** about it but still. Its freaking annoying, that people hate on what they don't understand. You don't see people hating on baptists or other protestants, only Catholics. It is stupid.

Do you not think that getting your self genetically altered and changing what god made should be a sin?
I find it funny that you bring up changing what God made is a sin when you didn't even address the point Skateyasha brought up that by adding new sins, the pope is changing the rules which God made.

with all due respect to all the religous idiots (i mean people) = Religon is fake.

hahahahaha

that's as dumb as saying

"no offense, but you're a douche."

@Vrait: Let me ask you something. What would Jesus do? Do you think Jesus would ever be like the Pope, sitting on top of his piles of money, with his super fancy throne, and all his elegant clothing covered in gold jewelry? The Pope shows nothing of humility and he's a hypocrite. The Bible pretty much condemns him and he's your leading figure!

And look at your churches, they also show nothing of humility, nothing of simplicity, not to mention they are all decorated in what are essentially idols that you worship.

Now tell me how Catholicism isn't a joke.

I'm just saying why do people always have hate on Catholicism. Its mainly because they don't know **** about it but still. Its freaking annoying, that people hate on what they don't understand. You don't see people hating on baptists or other protestants, only Catholics. It is stupid.

Yes Catholicism is awesome with it's purgatory where you could pay money to get rid of sins!

OOOPS I KILLED A WHOLE CITY OH WELL I'LL JUST PAY A FEW GOLD COINS AMIRITE?

The obscene wealth is from money DONATED to help fund the church. The church is HUGE, its not just some random church in a city. It wouldn't be able to run with the money one single church gets.

Also if you are driving a car it wouldn't count as a sin. But if you are droping barrels of toxic waste into a lake then it would be a sin.

Catholic priests are some of the nicest guys I've ever met. Priests are humans too, if a human can be a pervert. Why couldn't a human who decided to be a priest be? You act as if that since the Catholic thats what makes them be perverts. Being Catholic has NOTHING to do with it.So what if a few are "tempted" just because they are catholic they get the news coverage on them. Since the Catholic church is so big. Compared to the small individual churches in each city.

I'm not saying is the best religion. I'm just saying it was created by Jesus and not some random dude. And if you are knocking down on Catholicism you are also knocking down Jesus.

If someone is protestant or something I think no differently about him. As long as they have an open mind. And don't hate on something they don't understand.

They did not change his word. They just added to it to clarify stuff in todays world as a sin.

Do you not think that getting your self genetically altered and changing what god made should be a sin?

I'm just saying why do people always have hate on Catholicism. Its mainly because they don't know **** about it but still. Its freaking annoying, that people hate on what they don't understand. You don't see people hating on baptists or other protestants, only Catholics. It is stupid.

1.The obscene wealth I was referring to was a new sin created by the pope, it is a sin to be obscenely wealthy, to chase the american dream is to lust after sin, enjoy.

2. If you're driving your car, you're well aware of the pollution you're causing the environment, are you saying that pollution is ok up to a point? Then when it reaches that point suddenly it's a sin? That's a bit ridiculous, and furthermore, I don't think that the pope said it needed to be on purpose. I can't seem to find a list of the new sins created but I remember reading them in the paper and I don't remember it being on purpose.

3. Now, there are plenty of perverts out there, not all of them are catholic, I'm not saying catholicism turns you into a pervert, but the fact is that you're not allowed to mary if you're a catholic priest, you're not even allowed to see a woman in a relationship, and being gay is a sin, so what's left to fulfill sexual desire? Unfortunately child molestation, but you still can't do things to little girls because that's still a girl, so the only thing left is a little boy, because the bible says repeatedly "Man" (ex: lie with another man) etc... sexual desire is human nature, but for catholic priests the only way to fulfill it is through little boys, it's a sad truth because it's a law imposed by catholicism.

4. I don't have a problem knocking down on Jesus, that's not the point though... What did you just say?
I'm not saying is the best religion. I'm just saying it was created by Jesus and not some random dude.
I'm sorry, you just said your religion is not the best. Then why the heck are you following it? What is the best? You seem to have religions rated, what's the best religion, why, and why aren't you part of it? And wasn't Jesus some random dude at the time? If a new son of god walked up to you on the street, like, real, son of god, not just some crazy guy, and said "I'm the son of god, he brings new word to you, will you follow it" would you be like "Dude, it's the new Jesus!" or would you say: "Oh, just some random crazy guy."

5. They added and changed his words, because the world changes, he didn't say from the start "Don't practice genetic modification!" or "Don't become obscenely wealthy." So by adding that in, yes, you've changed gods word.

6. Frankly, I don't think there's a god, and that the pursuit of science and understanding life should not be a sin. By the way, they're not just sins, they're deadly sins. And I've already practiced genetic modification in fruit flies, so yeah, I've commited a deadly sin that can never be forgiven, there's really no point in me ever considering Catholocism as a religion.

7.I'm just saying why do people always have hate on Catholicism. Its mainly because they don't know **** about it but still. Its freaking annoying, that people hate on what they don't understand. You don't see people hating on baptists or other protestants, only Catholics. It is stupid.
Wow... I don't think I've seen more than 1 thread in here adressing catholicism in specific, and why is everyone hating on catholics? There's a billion of them, they're the majority, in essence, they are "everyone." So don't even. And your logic is... well... retarded. There's way more people who hate on muslims because of a stupid stereotype, so yeah...

And please adress the fact that the pope is changing what is supposed to be gods indefinite word.

p.s. what does my signature say?

You changed it. It said "I have retired from the religous and politics section. Its mostly just slander now."

?

I find it funny that you bring up changing what God made is a sin when you didn't even address the point Skateyasha brought up that by adding new sins, the pope is changing the rules which God made.

Hes just adding to them, Its not like hes deleting what god has already said. The apostles have added many sins.

How about how the protestants CHANGED the bible? They took out like 7 books from it. Wtf is up with that?

@Vrait: Let me ask you something. What would Jesus do? Do you think Jesus would ever be like the Pope, sitting on top of his piles of money, with his super fancy throne, and all his elegant clothing covered in gold jewelry? The Pope shows nothing of humility and he's a hypocrite. The Bible pretty much condemns him and he's your leading figure!

And look at your churches, they also show nothing of humility, nothing of simplicity, not to mention they are all decorated in what are essentially idols that you worship.

Now tell me how Catholicism isn't a joke.

Jesus is god, he couldn't be the pope. Thats why apostle St.Peter became the first pope. And the fact Jesus was crucified.

Why the need of humility? Should we pitty the worship of god or himself? No, whats wrong with the church making the churches look beautiful?


Yes Catholicism is awesome with it's purgatory where you could pay money to get rid of sins!

OOOPS I KILLED A WHOLE CITY OH WELL I'LL JUST PAY A FEW GOLD COINS AMIRITE?

This isn't the middle ages. If you do mortal sins you will go to hell. Purgatory is a place that clenses the soul. So that it can go into Heaven pure. You don't pay money to get in. Most people will get into it.


1.The obscene wealth I was referring to was a new sin created by the pope, it is a sin to be obscenely wealthy, to chase the american dream is to lust after sin, enjoy.

2. If you're driving your car, you're well aware of the pollution you're causing the environment, are you saying that pollution is ok up to a point? Then when it reaches that point suddenly it's a sin? That's a bit ridiculous, and furthermore, I don't think that the pope said it needed to be on purpose. I can't seem to find a list of the new sins created but I remember reading them in the paper and I don't remember it being on purpose.

3. Now, there are plenty of perverts out there, not all of them are catholic, I'm not saying catholicism turns you into a pervert, but the fact is that you're not allowed to mary if you're a catholic priest, you're not even allowed to see a woman in a relationship, and being gay is a sin, so what's left to fulfill sexual desire? Unfortunately child molestation, but you still can't do things to little girls because that's still a girl, so the only thing left is a little boy, because the bible says repeatedly "Man" (ex: lie with another man) etc... sexual desire is human nature, but for catholic priests the only way to fulfill it is through little boys, it's a sad truth because it's a law imposed by catholicism.

4. I don't have a problem knocking down on Jesus, that's not the point though... What did you just say?

I'm sorry, you just said your religion is not the best. Then why the heck are you following it? What is the best? You seem to have religions rated, what's the best religion, why, and why aren't you part of it? And wasn't Jesus some random dude at the time? If a new son of god walked up to you on the street, like, real, son of god, not just some crazy guy, and said "I'm the son of god, he brings new word to you, will you follow it" would you be like "Dude, it's the new Jesus!" or would you say: "Oh, just some random crazy guy."

5. They added and changed his words, because the world changes, he didn't say from the start "Don't practice genetic modification!" or "Don't become obscenely wealthy." So by adding that in, yes, you've changed gods word.

6. Frankly, I don't think there's a god, and that the pursuit of science and understanding life should not be a sin. By the way, they're not just sins, they're deadly sins. And I've already practiced genetic modification in fruit flies, so yeah, I've commited a deadly sin that can never be forgiven, there's really no point in me ever considering Catholocism as a religion.

7.
Wow... I don't think I've seen more than 1 thread in here adressing catholicism in specific, and why is everyone hating on catholics? There's a billion of them, they're the majority, in essence, they are "everyone." So don't even. And your logic is... well... retarded. There's way more people who hate on muslims because of a stupid stereotype, so yeah...

And please adress the fact that the pope is changing what is supposed to be gods indefinite word.

1. If someone is wealthy and donates money to charity's, I'm sure it wouldn't count as a sin.

2. So according to the new sin, you really think it would count as a sin, simply for driving a car? Come on the pope rides in the pope mobile.

3. Priests and nuns are suppose to be married to god, and not be sexual in anyway. I myself find that the protestant view of priests being able to marry disgusting. And In other religions "priests" aren't aloud to marry. They are suppose to be church leaders, why should they be having sex that night after they were preaching to us? Wtf is up with that?

4. I'm not saying Catholicism is lower, I'm saying If another guy is Bapist, and another guy is Methodist. They are still Christian. And my religion is not better then theirs. I will not judge them just because they aren't Catholic.

5. He didn't change the 10 commandments. Hes just added new sins, look at the bible. There are a lot of sins added in the new testament.

6. Its your choice of your religious views. All I can ask is to keep being open minded.

7. Yes, but all protestants pretty much think lowly on Catholicism. Just because they don't understand it.

If you want to learn more about Catholicism I recommend picking up the book called " Catholic Doctrine in Scripture" by Greogry Oatis. It will answer A LOT of questions.

http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Doctrine-Scripture-Verses-Affirming/dp/0970262140

Hes just adding to them, Its not like hes deleting what god has already said.

How about how the protestants CHANGED the bible? They took out like 7 books from it. Wtf is up with that?

And if you add something to the original it is different than it once was. Now if isn't the same anymore then what must have happened? Someone must have changed it.

As for Protestants, don't worry I think they're just as wrong as the Catholics are.

Why the need of humility? Should we pitty the worship of god or himself? No, whats wrong with the church making the churches look beautiful?
By humility he means the pope should be humble, dressing up in expensive silk and gold is not humble. Tell what is a better cause for using money? For your own personal benefits to dress up in expensive clothes and build expensive churches or to use that money to help the less fortunate?

He didn't change the 10 commandments. Hes added to them.
You obviously don't understand change. Adding to something is changing it! Tell me have you ever grown a few inches? Of course you have, so a few inches were added to your height. Just like the pope added to the commandments. Now would you sit here a argue that your height didn't change? Most likely not so how did the pope not change God's word by adding to it?

This isn't the middle ages. If you do mortal sins you will go to hell. Purgatory is a place that clenses the soul. So that it can go into Heaven pure. You don't pay money to get in. Most people will get into it.


You could pay to shorten the time in the purgatory. That or get priests to pray for you to shorten the time as well.

Basically BS to get more money.

Fact that the pope is covered in gold makes me not take him all too seriously. Current one also looks like the Sith Emperor from Star Wars. SO YEAH REEKS OF EVIL :D

Hes just adding to them, Its not like hes deleting what god has already said. The apostles have added many sins.

1. If someone is wealthy and donates money to charity's, I'm sure it wouldn't count as a sin.

2. So according to the new sin, you really think it would count as a sin, simply for driving a car? Come on the pope rides in the pope mobile.

3. Priests and nuns are suppose to be married to god, and not be sexual in anyway. I myself find that the protestant view of priests being able to marry disgusting. And In other religions "priests" aren't aloud to marry. They are suppose to be church leaders, why should they be having sex that night after they were preaching to us? Wtf is up with that?

4. I'm not saying Catholicism is lower, I'm saying If another guy is Bapist, and another guy is Methodist. They are still Christian. And my religion is not better then theirs. I will not judge them just because they aren't Catholic.

5. He didn't change the 10 commandments. Hes just added new sins, look at the bible. There are a lot of sins added in the new testament.

6. Its your choice of your religious views. All I can ask is to keep being open minded.

7. Yes, but all protestants pretty much think lowly on Catholicism. Just because they don't understand it.

If you want to learn more about Catholicism I recommend picking up the book called " Catholic Doctrine in Scripture" by Greogry Oatis. It will answer A LOT of questions.

http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Doctrine-Scripture-Verses-Affirming/dp/0970262140

1. If someone was wealthy in the past, obscenely wealthy, and never donated to charity, but liver their life the catholic way, then do they suddenly drop from heaven down to the depths of hell? They can't change what they did, it's apparently so grave a sin it's considered a deadly sin, so that doesn't seem like something people can do. Plus, it's not right for the people in hell who were simply obscenely wealthy, because people up in heaven did the same thing as they did, what's the difference? Secondly, wouldn't they have to donate to charities until the point where they are no longer obscenely wealthy? The sin declares obscene wealth as a sin, not obscene wealth is ok if you give a bit to charity. So you really should never be able to become obscenely wealthy, never win the lotto, or design a new motor system or write a hit song, you'll go to hell.

2. The pope drives in the popemobile, knowing full well that the total time he's spent driving in the popemobile as pope over the years that he's going to be pope, is equal to dumping loads of toxic waste into the environment, he's sinning by the very sin he defined. Why do you think it's ok to pollute little by little compared to polluting a lot all at once? You're not looking at this from a realistic point of view, you're just saying the pope can't sin, but he is, because of the very sin he introduced. Heck, your pope was a member of Hitler's youth. So I'm asking, don't look at this as "Well I'm not going to go to hell because I can't avoid it, it's for convenience sake." Look at it frmo the view that you know you're polluting, and you couldn't careless, because it saves you time, just like taking a shortcut and dumping toxic waste into a lake instead of disposing of it properly.

3. You avoided my question by getting side-tracked by your protestant rant. Priests aren't supposed to be sexual, but they have been, and they're going to be, it's human nature, and you said they were just human. Frankly I don't understand why sex should be a sin in any religion, adultery sure, lust after another's, sure, but just sex with a life partner? That's how the world works, every advanced animal in the world does it to reproduce, it's how life works. Why should that be a sin?

4. You did say catholicism wasn't the best though, now you're saying it's equal, stop changing your words. Either it's lower than something because it's not the best, or all religions are equal, in which case you shouldn't be knocking on protestants so bad because their religion was defined by "Some random guy in the 16th century."

5. If god wanted those to be sins, don't you think he would've added them in himself at the start, he's omnipotent, even under the definition of god escapes time and exists at all times, he still should've included them all at the beginning, or they're not meant to be sins. Stop challenging god's word, or filling in for what must be God's mistakes (which is impossible if your god is perfect).

6. All I can ask is to be open minded.

7. You seem to think pretty lowly of protestants, that's some deep-seated hate, I predict a catholic vs. protestant World War Three, any takers? Oh, and the muslims will use the excuse to try and exterminate the jews. Oh religion, such peace it brings.

Fact that the pope is covered in gold makes me not take him all too seriously. Current one also looks like the Sith Emperor from Star Wars. SO YEAH REEKS OF EVIL
Don't forget how he covered up the child abuse in the Catholic Church instead of condemning it and he was also in Hitler Youth as a teen.

Oh, and I guess I'll put this out there with this post I'm not trying to imply, offend, or any of that nonsense but just stating facts. For once I think saying that is necessary.

And if you add something to the original it is different than it once was. Now if isn't the same anymore then what must have happened? Someone must have changed it.

As for Protestants, don't worry I think they're just as wrong as the Catholics are.


By humility he means the pope should be humble, dressing up in expensive silk and gold is not humble. Tell what is a better cause for using money? For your own personal benefits to dress up in expensive clothes and build expensive churches or to use that money to help the less fortunate?


You obviously don't understand change. Adding to something is changing it! Tell me have you ever grown a few inches? Of course you have, so a few inches were added to your height. Just like the pope added to the commandments. Now would you sit here a argue that your height didn't change? Most likely not so how did the pope not change God's word by adding to it?

Must of had a typo or something. I didn't mean he added to the 10 commandments. Just that he added sins. You guys are blowing this way out of proportion.

One, you didn't even address what I said about change.

Two, were not blowing this out of proportion. It is a simple debate when you think about. According to Christian belief, God is perfect so that must mean his word, laws he created and sins he created must be perfect. Now if the pope has to add to them, God must have left out something or should have put these sins in before hand then obviously what he created is not perfect which would obviously mean that God is cannot be perfect as if he was his laws would have been perfect. If God is not perfect then your religion lied about God and if they lied about God then what else did they lie about?

More like all religion is misled.

Agreed, as most people label Sihkism(i think) allows you to carry a knife.
Which is why most people convert(young) but i was watching a program the otherday were a guy stated that it comes with rules and isn't interly true...

Yes, about the priests and the alter boys, some blamed their religion as it was just themselfs in their nature.

Very good topic :)

More like all religion is misled.
PAH!!! You know NOTHING about taoism, confusionism or Buddhism!!! Learn about these three religions which don't even have Gods (yes, some forms of Buddhism mention higher beings, but they're not really objects of worship).
To me they really seem down to earth, they're very philisophical, and the only reason they exist is to give you ways to achieve true happiness....Since I switched from Catholicism to zen Buddhism, I find I am actually way happier now and my depression has almost completely gone!!! :D

So my point is you gotta know everything about every religion before you can say something like that!

PAH!!! You know NOTHING about taoism, confusionism or Buddhism!!! Learn about these three religions which don't even have Gods (yes, some forms of Buddhism mention higher beings, but they're not really objects of worship).

Confucianism is a philosophy not a religion, Taoism is a sort a philosophy/religion at the same time.

Interesting thing about Buddhism, I know somebody from my school, he has relatives in Indian so he's been there a few times and said from the people he talked to, Buddhism is more viewed as a way of life or lifestyle than a religion.

bbengyak, really anything that stretches past a secular lifestyle could be consider religion. There's no defining structure, you're not really in a position to say what is and isn't a religion.

All I can say is that the Catholic church owns an unneccesarily large amount of property and wealth around the world and they have made no move to donate that to the needy. Everything is based on donation by the followers of Catholicism.

I like how Vrait's lost, and won't even respond to our statements anymore, any other catholics out there? Care to give this a shot?

bbengyak, really anything that stretches past a secular lifestyle could be consider religion. There's no defining structure, you're not really in a position to say what is and isn't a religion.

I wasn't trying say what is a religion or not. Confucianism isn't a religion, look it up if you didn't know that. What I said about Taoism isn't false either, look here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/taoism
Or look it up on google, you'll see usually it's viewed as a religion and philosophy or a way of life or lifestyle. Literally translated I think the Tao means the path if I remember correctly.

And Buddhism, like the others, I wasn't saying what if it was a religion or not but throwing in something interesting I heard from a person who had spent in the country Buddhism originated in and did not even state what I said as fact but something somebody learned from personal experience.

Way to go and not get the point of my previous last post.

Huh? I just said that it's defined more by what people consider it personally than whether it fits into the category of philosophy, or that of religion.

I agree Confucianism isn't a religion, but even that bridges the gap between philosophy and religion. I completely see the point of your last post, I just don't think you are the ultimate authority on what can be considered a religion.

^Again, I wasn't trying to be but merely pointing out a falsity in fogle's post so you obviously didn't get what the point my first post the you replied to.

Wow you guys are a bunch of *******s. At least I can say my religion(Catholicism) was created by Jesus himself. And not some dumbass danish guy that lived in the 16th century.


1. Ok just because a few psycho perverts happened to be priests doesn't mean the other 99% of priests are like that. You obviously have never met a Catholic priest.

2. Why not? Why shouldn't he be able to declare new sins with the changing of the world? Its not like they are crazy sins. 1. Polluting the environment on purpose. I don't see a problem with that one. Genetically alter yourself. Why change what god has made you?

3. Who cares if they don't use technology or what ever else like everyone else?

You need to grow up, you are the one misinformed.



Misled?, please prove that to me. Oh wait!, you can't!



And wheres you scientific proof to that? Oh thats right you can't prove that a god doesn't exist. You are way too close minded..

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2. (bold) because we can. why did god give us a possibility to mess with him, when it's a sin?

3. i don't get your point

4. can you prove to me that anything said or written in your religion is not misleading?

5. do you have scientific proof for that? Oh thats right you cna't prove that god exists. you are way to unintelligent...

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2. (bold) because we can. why did god give us a possibility to mess with him, when it's a sin?

3. i don't get your point

4. can you prove to me that anything said or written in your religion is not misleading?

5. do you have scientific proof for that? Oh thats right you cna't prove that god exists. you are way to unintelligent...

I'm unintelligent? I bet you couldn't even handle simple 9th grade geometry. Your only 14, in 4 years, I bet your views will change a ****load.

In response to 5. You can't prove the god DOES or DOESN'T exist.

FYI, I saw sex being mentioned as a sin, which it isn't. The Catholic Church says that sex is great--after the wedding. Priests are celibate as a sacrifice in order to be 100% devoted to God and God only.

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2. (bold) because we can. why did god give us a possibility to mess with him, when it's a sin?

3. i don't get your point

4. can you prove to me that anything said or written in your religion is not misleading?

5. do you have scientific proof for that? Oh thats right you cna't prove that god exists. you are way to unintelligent...

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And Vrait, respond to me if you plan on it, I'd like to see what you're going to say.

5. do you have scientific proof for that? Oh thats right you cna't prove that god exists. you are way to unintelligent...

You can't prove that He doesn't exist, bud.

You can't prove that He doesn't exist, bud.

I'm actually gonna be proving Jesus never existed later today... might wait til tomorrow, this'll be pretty much an essay.

I'm actually gonna be proving Jesus never existed later today... might wait til tomorrow, this'll be pretty much an essay.

Jesus? Jesus existed, the jews wanted him to be their king during the Roman Empire, whether he was really the son of God or not is where the conflict lies.

There is no doubt that Jesus existed and was crucified, and this is coming from an unreligious standpoint. It is fact.

Is it fact?

Upon examination of the supposed story of Jesus, it's...

I'll let you see the thread, =P And I'll just keep building suspense.

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And Vrait, respond to me if you plan on it, I'd like to see what you're going to say.

I can't answer everything, I don't know all.

If you are truely serious about this. Go ask on a catholic forum. Which has thousands of catholics who can answer you questions.

I recommend this one: http://www.catholic-forum.com/

It looks like it would answer all of your questions.

And Jesus did live, it is fact.

I can't answer everything, I don't know all.

If you are truely serious about this. Go ask on a catholic forum. Which has thousands of catholics who can answer you questions.

I recommend this one: http://www.catholic-forum.com/

It looks like it would answer all of your questions.

And Jesus did live, it is fact.

Man, you're a piece.

You can't answer my questions, cause you don't know. If you don't know, what kind of catholic are you? Or maybe it's just that catholicism doesn't have an easy answer for this, because the question makes sense. Don't divert me to forums with hundreds of people who are gonna tell me "through the power of god it is so." Either come up with an answer yourself or admit you're wrong.

And how is Jesus' life fact? Prove it.

Man, you're a piece.

You can't answer my questions, cause you don't know. If you don't know, what kind of catholic are you? Or maybe it's just that catholicism doesn't have an easy answer for this, because the question makes sense. Don't divert me to forums with hundreds of people who are gonna tell me "through the power of god it is so." Either come up with an answer yourself or admit you're wrong.

And how is Jesus' life fact? Prove it.

dude i dont believe in god either but jesus did in fact live..wether he had powers or was the son of god is what is unknown....as far as science knows, he was just an ordinary person

Skateyasha you're starting to act dumb.

Jesus did exist. whether or not he was the son of God is a different story.

It was even in my world history book back in 10th grade.
And here's a whole article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

catholicism is a scary religion, because it's close to Christianity, close enough to deceive many.

Wolves in sheep's clothing.

praying to idols anyone?

catholicism is a scary religion, because it's close to Christianity, close enough to deceive many.

Wolves in sheep's clothing.

praying to idols anyone?

You pray to Jesus, I'm assuming he's your 'idol'

There is absolutely no difference. This thread should actually be titled something like 'Religion, xx mislead'

A fairy tale is a fairy tale

You pray to Jesus, I'm assuming he's your 'idol'

There is absolutely no difference. This thread should actually be titled something like 'Religion, xx mislead'

A fairy tale is a fairy tale

idol: an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.

I respect ya man, you bring up some of the best points, but that comment, was really stupid.

idol: an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.

I respect ya man, you bring up some of the best points, but that comment, was really stupid.

An idol can be defined as an object that people worship or Someone who is adored blindly and excessively.

The reason people never make Jesus as an 'image or other material object representing a deity' is because you live in a predominantly Christian nation. If we take the definition by what it actually means, it applies something that is worshiped but is not a God, now unless you believe Jesus _was_ God, then why shouldn't it work?

It's only become taboo because of the commandment warning against worshiping false Gods (ie: anything representing God) (Exodus 20:4-6)

But we're taking idol and using the context of the Bible as if it's factual, the definition doesn't works as long as you believe in the Bible.

I don't, and Jesus is nothing more than an idol of worship...I honestly don't see why Mohammed, Krishna, or a box of tissues should be any more or less an object of worship compared to Jesus.

catholicism is a scary religion, because it's close to Christianity, close enough to deceive many.

Wolves in sheep's clothing.

praying to idols anyone?

We don't pray to idols. The one, true church, which Jesus came to Earth to establish, anyone?

An idol can be defined as an object that people worship or Someone who is adored blindly and excessively.

The reason people never make Jesus as an 'image or other material object representing a deity' is because you live in a predominantly Christian nation. If we take the definition by what it actually means, it applies something that is worshiped but is not a God, now unless you believe Jesus _was_ God, then why shouldn't it work?

It's only become taboo because of the commandment warning against worshiping false Gods (ie: anything representing God) (Exodus 20:4-6)

But we're taking idol and using the context of the Bible as if it's factual, the definition doesn't works as long as you believe in the Bible.

I don't, and Jesus is nothing more than an idol of worship...I honestly don't see why Mohammed, Krishna, or a box of tissues should be any more or less an object of worship compared to Jesus.

Pretty much all the Non Catholic Christians I know pray to God not Jesus. There are a few out there that do, but they believe that Jesus is God so then that doesn't really make him an idol.