Corinthians 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

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Uhhhh?
(http://kjv.us/1_corinthians/11.htm)

I beleive Corinthians is in the old testament, and which doesn't apply anymore.

If Corinthians is in the new testament, well then, at least me and tyler self still have that chance of playing skate with satan!

Why ignore what the Old Testament says?

You can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow.

I beleive Corinthians is in the old testament, and which doesn't apply anymore.
So Adam and Eve, all that stuff, you guys just said "screw it"?

Yeah, the whole "God created the Universe" thing..

That's obviously in the Old Testament.

That applied only to that time and place. Kinda like if you were to wear torn jeans and a spiked jacket to a high-class private uniform school.

Chrisitianity meeting.

Reverand 1: So um. Like the old testmet isn't that believable..
reverand 2: yeah. Should we like re-write it or just pick and choose which sh!t we like?
Revrand 1: Pick and choose
Reverand 2:Yeah sounds good.

nobody knows what jesus looked like. even 300 years after he died, people were unwilling to paint pictures of him, because they thought it would be breaking the commandment about graven images. i don't know how that came to be the common representation of him, but it's most likely very inaccurate.

So technically, Jesus could have been black?

So technically, Jesus could have been black?

What skin color do they have in the middle east? It's light brownish/black right

He's been painted white since white people had the power.

^I vote mexican.

Hello.. Jesus? *pronounce that "hey soos"*

I'd imagine he looked like a normal jew. albeit, a physically perfect one.

I'd imagine he looked like a normal jew. albeit, a physically perfect one.

so he looked like me?

http://i37.tinypic.com/2njgcg4.jpg

I'd imagine he looked like a normal jew. albeit, a physically perfect one.

Isaiah said that nothing on the messiah would "make men desire for him."

Isaiah 53:2 - He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

Qtip, the verse you cited is from an epistle Paul wrote to the people in Corinth. In those times, in that place, there was a large ring of male prostitution. A sign that you were a male prostitute was that you had long hair. Because of this, Paul didn't want the men having long hair when they lived there.

Trevor, why wait for hellfire? Let's skate hellfire now. :D

Why ignore what the Old Testament says?

You can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow.
I'm not a christian, I wouldn't know. Ask Tyler Self.
So Adam and Eve, all that stuff, you guys just said "screw it"?
Who is this "You guys" of which you are speaking?

Because that's simply a picture. Jesus probably looked nothing like he's depicted in most Renaissance art. Probably tan (like a middle eastern person today), shorter hair, and the Bible even says a beard. But, other than that, I couldn't tell you.

Corinthians is New Testament

Because of this, Paul didn't want the men having long hair when they lived there

Paul, or God?

^Nice razz

ahh my mom hates long hair anyways. my brother will have his hair a littlew over his ears and she'll say "haircut!" haha

You technically, they say the bible is writing by the apostles, who were told all by Jesus, who was taught all by your perfect god, well that should mean, that not ONE word in that bible should be wrong, according to the fact that God himself wrote it, well I mean about 5000 phrases are now "phased" out or ignored by modern Christians, meaning, well if those were wrong, doesn't that mean that all other parts could be/are wrong....I mean for all we know the Bible was written by 12 crazy old men, who worshipped some traveling gypsy named Jesus in Israel

Why ignore what the Old Testament says?

You can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow.
Of course you can! who told you you can't?? It would be impossible to fallow the entire bible, because there are so many contradictions. You can be a christian but still not have a problem with homosexuals right?? right!

Of course you can! who told you you can't?? It would be impossible to fallow the entire bible, because there are so many contradictions. You can be a christian but still not have a problem with homosexuals right?? right!

No.....

Corinthians is New Testament

Thank you for pointing that out. I was getting worried, scrolling, hoping I wouldn't have to be the one to post it after the thread has hit 2 pages, hahahaha.

Of course you can! who told you you can't?? It would be impossible to fallow the entire bible, because there are so many contradictions. You can be a christian but still not have a problem with homosexuals right?? right!
It's supposed to be the word of God so it shouldn't have any contradictions yet it does for some reason. I wonder why?

Yeah supposedly it was written by one perfect omniscent god....that told his son, who told his apostle's...so if there is EVEN ONE PHRASE wrong, contradicting to another, or ignored now a days, then it wasn't written by a perfect being, hence it's wrong, and god doesn't exist..

Yeah supposedly it was written by one perfect omniscent god....that told his son, who told his apostle's...so if there is EVEN ONE PHRASE wrong, contradicting to another, or ignored now a days, then it wasn't written by a perfect being, hence it's wrong, and god doesn't exist..

The entire bible was not written by the apostles.

Doesn't matter, it was told or taught to them by the perfect god, yet he screwed it up....

Jeez why is god so picky anyway. Maybe he's only attracted to men with short hair.

[just a joke, don't take it seriously.]

^Like Izi said. Either EVERYTHING the bible says is right, or EVERYTHING is wrong. No inbetweens.

An omniscient, OMNIPOTENT God with the ability to do.. well.. ANYTHING, would not allow any contradictions into the bible that would be essentially LYING to his followers.

If God had ANYTHING to do with writing the bible at all, or if he even WANTED it written, then it should be PERFECT.


and seeing as it isn't...

look, i'm not trying to challenge anyone saying that the Bible does not contradict itself, but rather i'd like it if we could post some of these contradictions. then we can have at them.

i'm about to have a private talk with my youth group leader, and i'd like to show him some of this stuff. also i'll have to talk to razz about permission to use a few posts ;)

cheers!

Doesn't matter, it was told or taught to them by the perfect god, yet he screwed it up....

No he didn't. Ever heard of the book of Maccabees? The book of Numbers? Judges? Exodus? It's all a history book detailing on the lives of pre-Jesus Jews, written by fellow Jews. The majority of the Old Testament is history, the rest of it is mostly prophetic writings which were influenced by God and written about God, but not handed down by God. Come on, at least know your subject matter before you try to make a point about it.

look, i'm not trying to challenge anyone saying that the Bible does not contradict itself, but rather i'd like it if we could post some of these contradictions. then we can have at them.

i'm about to have a private talk with my youth group leader, and i'd like to show him some of this stuff. also i'll have to talk to razz about permission to use a few posts ;)

cheers!
There's going to be contradictions in any large collection of material written by numerous people who were separated by multiple generations and couldn't compare notes. Also, with every new author, there comes a new viewpoint. Keep in mind that the Bible is 73 single publications consolidated into one book, much like the Torah (which, also, is contained in the Bible), although the Torah is made up of less books.

^Like Izi said. Either EVERYTHING the bible says is right, or EVERYTHING is wrong. No inbetweens.

An omniscient, OMNIPOTENT God with the ability to do.. well.. ANYTHING, would not allow any contradictions into the bible that would be essentially LYING to his followers.

If God had ANYTHING to do with writing the bible at all, or if he even WANTED it written, then it should be PERFECT.


and seeing as it isn't...

Read above post

right right, i understand. i just wanted to see some of them, what we saw as interesting. thanks!

There's going to be contradictions in any large collection of material written by numerous people who were separated by multiple generations and couldn't compare notes. Also, with every new author, there comes a new viewpoint. Keep in mind that the Bible is 73 single publications consolidated into one book, much like the Torah (which, also, is contained in the Bible), although the Torah is made up of less books.


Again, that's fine, but it doesn't answer the question:
If God is omnipotent, he would have made sure that each of those authors wrote down exactly what he wanted them to, he would have made sure that they each wrote the truth, and as time progresses, and more authors start contributing their works, God should STILL be able to make sure that each of the new authors don't write down anything that contradicts with what he inspired the prior authors to write.
Unless of course God becomes less omnipotent over time. :icon_roll

Again, that's fine, but it doesn't answer the question:
If God is omnipotent, he would have made sure that each of those authors wrote down exactly what he wanted them to, he would have made sure that they each wrote the truth, and as time progresses, and more authors start contributing their works, God should STILL be able to make sure that each of the new authors don't write down anything that contradicts with what he inspired the prior authors to write.
Unless of course God becomes less omnipotent over time. :icon_roll
They did write down the truth as it came to them. Remember the time period in which it was written, and remember that each writer wrote (as all writers do) from their viewpoint. Also, it's not all what God inspired them to write. For example: the Book of Numbers is a census of the Israelites taken after their exodus from Egypt.

^So what you're saying then, is that God made sure everything was true for a while, then told them: "Ah screw it, just write down what you want to"

It's like you're saying that every contradiction that is in the bible happened when God wasn't paying attention.

They did write down the truth as it came to them. Remember the time period in which it was written, and remember that each writer wrote (as all writers do) from their viewpoint. Also, it's not all what God inspired them to write. For example: the Book of Numbers is a census of the Israelites taken after their exodus from Egypt.

I love how people refer to their doctrines as "truth" when debating, dont know why but I really find that humorous.

There's going to be contradictions in any large collection of material written by numerous people who were separated by multiple generations and couldn't compare notes. Also, with every new author, there comes a new viewpoint. Keep in mind that the Bible is 73 single publications consolidated into one book, much like the Torah (which, also, is contained in the Bible), although the Torah is made up of less books.


ah yes, people will interpret the Bible differently and come to different conclusions. for example, one Christian i know read genesis and still believes in evolution (heh). another Christian i know thinks old testament laws are to be lived by to the T, else you will be condemned (i.e. workin on saturdays = habitual sin = goin to hell). we can all agree on the need to believe in Jesus, what he has done, who he is, for (the beginning of) salvation.

Tyler said what I was gonna say. you have to read the verses in context with each other, and those in context with the book it's in, and the book in context with the testament you're in, and then take it into context with the entire Bible. It's talkin bout femininity in men, if you read the following 5 or so verses.

^So what you're saying then, is that God made sure everything was true for a while, then told them: "Ah screw it, just write down what you want to"

It's like you're saying that every contradiction that is in the bible happened when God wasn't paying attention.

It was written by HUMANS, there will be a few contradictions.

You act as if the Bible was delivered to earth from God via a sunbeam, with all 73 books completed.
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ah yes, people will interpret the Bible differently and come to different conclusions. for example, one Christian i know read genesis and still believes in evolution (heh). another Christian i know thinks old testament laws are to be lived by to the T, else you will be condemned (i.e. workin on saturdays = habitual sin = goin to hell). we can all agree on the need to believe in Jesus, what he has done, who he is, for (the beginning of) salvation.

Tyler said what I was gonna say. you have to read the verses in context with each other, and those in context with the book it's in, and the book in context with the testament you're in, and then take it into context with the entire Bible. It's talkin bout femininity in men, if you read the following 5 or so verses.

Exactly, mostly everything in the Old Testament must be read with an idea of the context in which it was written--the time period, the events occurring at the time, etc.

It was written by HUMANS, there will be a few contradictions.

You act as if the Bible was delivered to earth from God via a sunbeam, with all 73 books completed.
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Exactly, mostly everything in the Old Testament must be read with an idea of the context in which it was written--the time period, the events occurring at the time, etc.
It's supposed to be the word of GOD, it's not supposed to have contradictions.

ah yes, people will interpret the Bible differently and come to different conclusions. for example, one Christian i know read genesis and still believes in evolution (heh).

So people like Francis Collins (head of the human genome project), Allister McGrath, Kenneth Miller, etc are just all dumb scientists who still believe in evolution and are Christian?

Jesus may not have had long hair, nobody knows , that's just what some artist depicted Jesus to look like and it just cought on

It was written by HUMANS, there will be a few contradictions.

You act as if the Bible was delivered to earth from God via a sunbeam, with all 73 books completed.


"The Bible is unique in that it had God as its author, while all other books were composed by human beings."-taken from, you guessed it, the Bible.

The stories in the bible lost meaning many years ago, its now just the heavily edited product of a tool once used for power, wealth, and control. Its sad that people are still ruled by this book. Religion is in the past, society needs to progress and let go of the fantasy world religion offers.

"The Bible is unique in that it had God as its author, while all other books were composed by human beings."-taken from, you guessed it, the Bible.

The stories in the bible lost meaning many years ago, its now just the heavily edited product of a tool once used for power, wealth, and control. Its sad that people are still ruled by this book. Religion is in the past, society needs to progress and let go of the fantasy world religion offers.

Religion is complete bull, I agree entirely, and will say I hate religion with my entire being, because all it's done is send a bunch of people who thought by their works they may be saved to hell. But the Bible, I entirely disagree with you on. And the Bible isn't to heavily edited. I can't give you proof as far as all the books go, but we have many almost original copies of the scrolls written for many of the OT books (some of the Dead Sea Scrolls for instance) which are the same as the versions we have now. The only real editing is translation into almost every language on this planet. And the Bible still is used for power, but different than I think you meant it. To those who are lost, the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are saved, it is power! Power to see the sick healed! Power to set free those who are bound! Power to overcome sin, because we are free by his blood hallelujah! And I don't just say that all just because the Bible says it, but I've seen the sick healed when prayed for, and not a gradual thing that could have easily just been the natural, but things on an instant! And some things that we've yet to find a natural solution for. I personally was set free from things in an instant without any medical nor psychological help that almost always require counseling to quit, including a porn addiction. Jesus Christ is real friend, and there is definitely power in the Bible, and in his name!

I personally was set free from things in an instant without any medical nor psychological help that almost always require counseling to quit, including a porn addiction.

No you just traded an addiction for a new one. One that warps your mind.

If you think a porn addiction is bad or any addiction is bad you really just need a slap in the face. Addictions are fine.

Problem is the people with the addictions. They are f*cking dumb.

I don't know, longer than that?

I personally was set free from things in an instant without any medical nor psychological help that almost always require counseling to quit, including a porn addiction.
Porn addiction doesn't need counseling to quit, you know how you'd "cure" this "addiction?"
You simply stop watching porn by using just a little bit of will power! And you were also on Benadryl, I like how you never mention it when telling your little story, that your "addiction to drugs" was just you taking allergy pills.

Porn addiction doesn't need counseling to quit, you know how you'd "cure" this "addiction?"
You simply stop watching porn by using just a little bit of will power! And you were also on Benadryl, I like how you never mention it when telling your little story, that your "addiction to drugs" was just you taking allergy pills.

I said dependence for one thing, but a psychological addiction, while no physical symptoms occur can be just as tough to break as a physical. Look it up. And what is called drug dependence IS a psychological addiction. And the very same thing with the porn. A PSYCHOLOGICAL ADDICTION. You seem to act like that all nothing and crap and something to break by willpower easy, but ask a regular weed smoker to quit their weed and find out what happens. Same type of thing.

I said dependence for one thing, but a psychological addiction, while no physical symptoms occur can be just as tough to break as a physical. Look it up. And what is called drug dependence IS a psychological addiction. And the very same thing with the porn. A PSYCHOLOGICAL ADDICTION. You seem to act like that all nothing and crap and something to break by willpower easy, but ask a regular weed smoker to quit their weed and find out what happens. Same type of thing.
One, you said you were addicted to porn not dependent on it. So there you're wrong right there.

Two.
You're wrong, especially about the pot smoker as I used to have a friend who was/still does smoke weed. He decided to quit went a whole week and then he decided he liked smoking weed better and went back to it, not because of his "psychological addiction." He didn't need counseling to get him to stop and it's not like he had counseling and then it stopped so he went back to it.

He started off wanting to quit, found out what effort he would have to put in to do so, decided he didn't want to put in the effort and will to do so, so he didn't quit, it's as simple as that.

Quit acting like it was such a big thing that you quit watching porn and taking benedryl, something like that just takes a little will power but you just did like McCrank said and found something else to replace it with. If you want to find a real addict, find someone who got hooked on cocaine or some other hard drug and find out what a real addiction is like.

To those who are lost, the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are saved, it is power! Power to see the sick healed! Power to set free those who are bound! Power to overcome sin, because we are free by his blood hallelujah!

Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe, you're the one that's lost?

I said dependence for one thing, but a psychological addiction, while no physical symptoms occur can be just as tough to break as a physical. Look it up. And what is called drug dependence IS a psychological addiction. And the very same thing with the porn. A PSYCHOLOGICAL ADDICTION. You seem to act like that all nothing and crap and something to break by willpower easy, but ask a regular weed smoker to quit their weed and find out what happens. Same type of thing.

i sucked **** for cocaine, you ever sucked **** for benadryl?

A PSYCHOLOGICAL ADDICTION. You seem to act like that all nothing and crap and something to break by willpower easy, but ask a regular weed smoker to quit their weed and find out what happens. Same type of thing.

I know regular weed smokers. They smoke because they like it. Nothing else. They are addicted to "liking stuff" OMG

Here's your definition of "psychological addiction": Doing things you like doing.

Your view is also skewed with the typical BS like this:
Addiction to "sitting inside" is bad. Addiction to "outdoor activity" is good.
So porn vs skateboarding, drugs vs football etc.

Addiction to weed is bad, but what about an addiction to let's say SKATEBOARDING or any other outdoor activity? Back when I started skating 8 years ago. All I wanted to do was skate. Basically if you took away my skateboard I would stab you to death. That's how badly I wanted to skate. 12 hours a day nonstop skating. Change out the word "skateboarding" with "drugs" and see.

So your saying I had to get rid of my psychological addiction to skateboarding? Get the f*ck out.

I know regular weed smokers. They smoke because they like it. Nothing else. They are addicted to "liking stuff" OMG

Here's your definition of "psychological addiction": Doing things you like doing.

Your view is also skewed with the typical BS like this:
Addiction to "sitting inside" is bad. Addiction to "outdoor activity" is good.
So porn vs skateboarding, drugs vs football etc.

Addiction to weed is bad, but what about an addiction to let's say SKATEBOARDING or any other outdoor activity? Back when I started skating 8 years ago. All I wanted to do was skate. Basically if you took away my skateboard I would stab you to death. That's how badly I wanted to skate. 12 hours a day nonstop skating. Change out the word "skateboarding" with "drugs" and see.

So your saying I had to get rid of my psychological addiction to skateboarding? Get the f*ck out.

The difference has nothing to do with inside and outside activity. The difference is that drugs and porn and etc. are a sin against God, yet skateboarding isn't. Neither is TV, for instance, to prove you wrong on the inside/outside thing.

I know regular weed smokers. They smoke because they like it. Nothing else. They are addicted to "liking stuff" OMG


Here's your definition of "psychological addiction": Doing things you like doing.
Thank you. A weed smoker quitting is similar to a fat person going on a diet, they just have to put in some effort and control to keep from doing what they like, none of the "psychological" BS Izzy is saying to try and glorify his story and make it seem like he is any different which he is not.

The difference has nothing to do with inside and outside activity. The difference is that drugs and porn and etc. are a sin against God, yet skateboarding isn't. Neither is TV, for instance, to prove you wrong on the inside/outside thing.
You do realize you said nothing different than he did? All that you did was switch his terms "good" and "bad" with "sin" and "not a sin."

The difference has nothing to do with inside and outside activity. The difference is that drugs and porn and etc. are a sin against God, yet skateboarding isn't. Neither is TV, for instance, to prove you wrong on the inside/outside thing.

Who are you to say that skateboarding isn't a sin? YOU HAVE NO RIGHT!
You are not God! WHY MUST YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN DECLARE WHAT IS AND ISN'T A SIN!?!?! You think far too highly of yourself.
Skateboarding wasn't around until many years after the Bible had already been distributed and begun brainwashing ( I mean cleansing) people's minds.
So who is to say it isn't a sin?

The difference has nothing to do with inside and outside activity. The difference is that drugs and porn and etc. are a sin against God, yet skateboarding isn't. Neither is TV, for instance, to prove you wrong on the inside/outside thing.

It was an example. Your view is skewed like that. Your opinions and thoughts are restricted to the rules of a textbook.

I don't really want to believe in the Old Testament. Didn't they stone little kids if they lied in the Old Testament?

i sucked **** for cocaine, you ever sucked **** for benadryl?
Half baked!

Why ignore what the Old Testament says?

You can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow.

So Adam and Eve, all that stuff, you guys just said "screw it"?

Yeah, the whole "God created the Universe" thing..

That's obviously in the Old Testament.
You both have probably not read the bible or understand why jesus came. He abolished the old laws such as not to eat bats and things like this...We do not dismiss the old commandments or the knowledge that was in these but rather dismiss the old jewish law. We are not under that since we do not have to not eat dairy products with pork etc. These laws were made for the jews to seperate themselves from the others people.

Go ahead and read John and read about Jesus dismissing such things. Have you ever read when they asked if they should stone the women because she commited adultery?

^Like Izi said. Either EVERYTHING the bible says is right, or EVERYTHING is wrong. No inbetweens.

An omniscient, OMNIPOTENT God with the ability to do.. well.. ANYTHING, would not allow any contradictions into the bible that would be essentially LYING to his followers.

If God had ANYTHING to do with writing the bible at all, or if he even WANTED it written, then it should be PERFECT.


and seeing as it isn't...
You guys seem to be looking at this with a very narrow mind. The Bible is one of the most complex and rigorously studied books ever written. The "contradictions" in the Bible should be looked at as complexities instead of faults. Instead of laying down black and white rules, the Bible teaches what is right and wrong in certain situations, and it teaches to use your brain, heart, and faith to decide what's right and wrong in a particular situation.

A lot of the rules that are written in the Bible are directed at a particular group of people at a particular time in a particular context. Paul's letters, for example, were either written in response to a disturbance in his church, or for a boost of hope to his church-goers. Unless you've spent a great deal of time studying the context of Paul's letters, you're making blind assumptions by calling them contradictory. I can hardly stand to even enter the religion section on this site because of all of you mid-teenagers who think you have 2,000 years of complex literature all figured out.

The Bible is one of the most complex and rigorously studied books ever written.

What makes it so complex? It really isn't different than any of the other philosophical political books written during that era.

The "contradictions" in the Bible should be looked at as complexities instead of faults.

I strongly disagree, it seems to be just another way of dancing around the contradictions. Looking at it from a biased perspective before you analyze is wrong...

Instead of laying down black and white rules, the Bible teaches what is right and wrong in certain situations, and it teaches to use your brain, heart, and faith to decide what's right and wrong in a particular situation.

What does it teach about slavery, for example?

Does nobody else find it hilarious that izzy was addicted to porn?

Does nobody else find it hilarious that izzy was addicted to porn?

I find it funny that he tries to get away with saying he was addicted to porn. :icon_bs:

Who are you to say that skateboarding isn't a sin? YOU HAVE NO RIGHT!
You are not God! WHY MUST YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN DECLARE WHAT IS AND ISN'T A SIN!?!?! You think far too highly of yourself.
Skateboarding wasn't around until many years after the Bible had already been distributed and begun brainwashing ( I mean cleansing) people's minds.
So who is to say it isn't a sin?
You are an idiot. I am sorry I cannot take your post anymore. Everyone is making open minded argumentative post and you are just being the opposite. WE KNOW WHAT SIN IS BECAUSE IT IS IN THE BIBLE WHAT A SIN IS. HOW CAN YOU BLASPHEMINE BY JUST SKATEBOARDING, GET IT INTO THAT CLOSED MIND OF YOURS.

You cannot simply restort to ad hominem when arguing with somebody. It shows your ignorance and your lack of debate skills. You flaunt what little you know, yet, you seem to know nothing. You know nothing of christianity only what people tell you to know or what you have led on your own to believe. You are still in the array of see what I believe and hear only what I choose.

The problem is, is that you seem to just be attacking the bible and not your own virtues. Everything has its weaknesses and flaws because nothing is seen as 100% truth. Learn a little there prometheus before you spew any other sorts of mindless ignorance.

it was only for a small time,.. and it WAS NOT a command from god, it was because at the time that was written male prositutes used to have long hair, that was a recommendation for PEOPLE in those days... plus, that not proof of what jesus looked like.

If you want to find a real addict, find someone who got hooked on cocaine or some other hard drug and find out what a real addiction is like.

right here, pal. porn is harder to quit then cocaine.

right here, pal. porn is harder to quit then cocaine.

what?!

right here, pal. porn is harder to quit then cocaine.
lmfao! Yeah, maybe when you're 40 and don't have a girlfriend? uhm...

[izzy in 20 years]

Either way, that's easily the dumbest post I've ever seen. You sir, are retarded.

You are an idiot. I am sorry I cannot take your post anymore. Everyone is making open minded argumentative post and you are just being the opposite. WE KNOW WHAT SIN IS BECAUSE IT IS IN THE BIBLE WHAT A SIN IS. HOW CAN YOU BLASPHEMINE BY JUST SKATEBOARDING, GET IT INTO THAT CLOSED MIND OF YOURS.

You cannot simply restort to ad hominem when arguing with somebody. It shows your ignorance and your lack of debate skills. You flaunt what little you know, yet, you seem to know nothing. You know nothing of christianity only what people tell you to know or what you have led on your own to believe. You are still in the array of see what I believe and hear only what I choose.

The problem is, is that you seem to just be attacking the bible and not your own virtues. Everything has its weaknesses and flaws because nothing is seen as 100% truth. Learn a little there prometheus before you spew any other sorts of mindless ignorance.

Quickie for the bolded part: Then why do you believe it's the truth? Or were you one of the "pick and choose" Christians, the ones that make no sense and shouldn't be talking about how they're right when they don't even agree with their source on many points.

You seem to have this idea none of us know what we're talking about, because we're on the opposite side, now I'm not as well informed as others, I was born Jewish, but Berishman and Razz were both christian and well educated in the subject of the bible as well. You really need to stop assuming that everyone's wrong, you're right, cause bible said so, and we don't know what's in the bible. It's the same argument you've been using in every thread, but you don't seem to have anything to put towards proving your side.

And Z28 was addicted to Cocaine?

This whole thread of "lower self esteem leads to stronger faith" is getting more and more tempting >.>

Also, porn addiction is not an addiction like cocaine. Porn is more like gambling, it gives your body a rush of endorphins and you just can't get enough of it, you crave that feeling.

Cocaine on the other hand, gets into your brain similar to nicotene in cigarettes, and causes you to go into withdrawal without it, you feel like ****, and your body is telling you the only way to make it stop is take more cocaine.

Don't try to compare the two, drug addictions are far worse and more damaging than porn or gambling, or maybe you're addicted to piles?

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Dave/comicpiles2.png


Oh, one final note I'd like to add.

Being a 16 year old male, an "addiction" to porn is natural. But no, it's not an addiction. Addiction is like... carrying porn in your wallet so you can sneak peaks while in school, work, on the bus, you name it. Often goes hand in hand with hairy palms too.

There's a difference between hormones raging and your body telling you it wants to have sex, and being addicted to porn.

Being a 16 year old male, an "addiction" to porn is natural. But no, it's not an addiction. Addiction is like... carrying porn in your wallet so you can sneak peaks while in school, work, on the bus, you name it. Often goes hand in hand with hairy palms too.

There's a difference between hormones raging and your body telling you it wants to have sex, and being addicted to porn.

Saying you are addicted to porn at the age of 16 is like saying you are addicted to tasty food or addicted to having fun.

But yeah if you start carrying porn with you then you are way overboard.

Doing some stroking every night before you go to bed to get rid of a boner is fine though.

Saying you are addicted to porn at the age of 16 is like saying you are addicted to tasty food or addicted to having fun.

But yeah if you start carrying porn with you then you are way overboard.

Doing some stroking every night before you go to bed to get rid of a boner is fine though.

It's not only fine, it's healthy!