Alright, how did we get here in an athiest's opinion?

I have heard about the universe exploding from a very very tiny ball of everything, but what about before that? How did that very tiny ball come into existance? In other words, how do athiests think matter came into existance?

Alright, there's no scientific evidence. But what is your theory/idea?

How do they belive it all started?

I don't get it. Explain please.



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Totally sidestepping the question: How did God come into existance?

Responding to your question, with other questions: Why does it matter? Should we try and find random solutions with out any evidence(there is currently no scientific evidence)? Why are you asking only athiests?

Totally sidestepping the question: How did God come into existance?

Responding to your question, with other questions: Why does it matter? Should we try and find random solutions with out any evidance(there is currently no scientific evidence)? Why are you asking only athiests?

Christians belive that God is infinite. He dosen't have a beginning nor end, he is just there. He was never created.

1.) Why does it matter?

A: Just simply cirious, that is all.

2.) Should we try and find random solutions with out any evidence(there is currently no scientific evidence)?

A: [Same as question #2] Thanks! XD. I got one person's answer.

3.) Why are you asking only athiests?

A: Because I want to see what they think. I wouldn't ask a Christian or something, because they obviously belive in God. So, I just need a response from an athiest.

I remember once when I standing on a cruise ship staring into the horizon in the evening, staring up at the almost perfectly blue sky and I asked myself the same question, how could **all this*** come about...

How did it happen? No one knows - but just as humans see a complicated magic trick, our innate curiosity to know everything kicks in and we develop theories, be it the big bang, aliens, God, etc etc.

Fact is, God doesn't answer it as well as you may think. Just think about this for example, for EVERYTHING you see; the planets, the stars, life, etc etc...you can't help but think about it's complexity...BUT for something to have created all this (ie: GOD) you must have realized that God is just as complex.

So back to my story, as opposed to looking at the gorgeous horizon and dark blue sky...think of it as looking at God...what happens then?

You're back to square one asking the very same question...

Anti-matter? Essentially something coming from nothing, anti-matter and matter particles bond together to create nothingness, and through high amounts of energy, you can seperate the two to form matter and anti-matter. It has been done, and this is why the big bang theory is the most accepted, because it is believed that a massive amount of energy came into one place, and set off a big bang resulting in anti matter and matter being hurled in the infinite vacuum of space, the conserved energy then caused more explosions as pieces of matter collided, resulting in even more anti-matter and matter seperating etc... you see the cycle?

Either way, that's the most accepted hypothesis for that reason, the fact that we have observed anti-matter and matter.

What I personally believe?

Well, I don't think the whole big bang thing is ridiculous, it's certainly a possibility, about the creation of the universe, I've got a very open mind towards anything except for god (or at least the god's that humans have come up with). Perhaps one day we'll answer this question, but for now, just leave it at "Maybe everything was already here, maybe something spawned from nothing + Energy, or maybe something existing outside of time and space died and the result was creating time and space.

Alright, how did we get here in an athiest's opinion?

I have heard about the universe exploding from a very very tiny ball of everything, but what about before that? How did that very tiny ball come into existance? In other words, how do athiests think matter came into existance?

Alright, there's no scientific evidence. But what is your theory/idea?

How do they belive it all started?

I don't get it. Explain please.

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All atheists do not share a common idea of how the universe came into existence. I can only speak for myself, and I honestly do not know nor do I pretend to know. That's my "theory," and I'm sticking to it. :)

in the beginning, there was nothing. And then, even that exploded

in the beginning, there was nothing. And then, even that exploded

I gotta go with this. Because it's funny.

Anything is better than "GOD MADE IT ALL AND YOU MUST SERVE HIM DAMN IT"

My theory is simple: I don't give a f*ck

Can an athiest answer this? Yes
Happy birthday, enjoy ure fantastic answer =/

I just think its more probable that nature created all this, its just infinitely complex so loads of things could happen. I just think science > god. so obviously I think it makes no sense to believe that god created it all, I just think thats dumb.

You can await a really deep answer from me in a few hours, I have to run off to work, and then a dentist. -___-

But trust, an expansive answer from me should be up in a while.

:)

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

Look, you believe god always existed right? well why can't the universe have always existed? You say nothing created god because he is the creator, but why can't we say the same thing about the universe?

Think about that.

Who cares how the universe was created? It doesn't effect us.

You can await a really deep answer from me in a few hours, I have to run off to work, and then a dentist. -___-

But trust, an expansive answer from me should be up in a while.

:)


...I went to the dentists today.

You say nothing created god because he is the creator, but why can't we say the same thing about the universe?


and there lies the problem with believers, if "nothing" created god, isn't THAT in fact the higher power/force of nature? :tongue:

or is this stuff for yet another topic?? :icon_peac

Alright, how did we get here in an athiest's opinion?

I have heard about the universe exploding from a very very tiny ball of everything, but what about before that? How did that very tiny ball come into existance? In other words, how do athiests think matter came into existance?

Alright, there's no scientific evidence. But what is your theory/idea?

How do they belive it all started?

I don't get it. Explain please.



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Here's the thing: science does not rule out the possibility that God exists. Science is only concerned with understanding the empirical facts of how and why, and so far none of the empirical facts prove God exists.

Astronomers have determined through observation that the celestial bodies of the universe are moving. The nature of this movement is where the notion of a "big bang" comes from. Science cannot be satisfied to simply say, "God made everything move." Science wants to know specifically, physically, naturally, measurably, what made everything move.

A religious person might say God made the sun rise, but a scientist would be measuring the rate at which the earth turns and the path around the sun and the strength of the sun's rays and why it gives us a sunburn. Make sense?

im not atheist, and i do believe in God, but...its incomprehendable that hes always there...i rember hearing everything that has a beginning, has an end, anything that doesn, has no point to existence...so i dont know...but with the big bang theory, scientists say that "energy cannot be created nor destroyed"...so where did the energy come from?

and there lies the problem with believers, if "nothing" created god, isn't THAT in fact the higher power/force of nature? :tongue:

or is this stuff for yet another topic?? :icon_peac

Nothing is just a concept. It isn't a higher force of nature. It is NOTHING. It has no force. In fact, it cant have anything. It is nothing. I don't think I can enforce that to you enough...haha. Nothing can only make nothing. It isn't something, it is nothing. Get it? You're just messing with words there. :)

im not atheist, and i do believe in God, but...its incomprehendable that hes always there...i rember hearing everything that has a beginning, has an end, anything that doesn, has no point to existence...so i dont know...but with the big bang theory, scientists say that "energy cannot be created nor destroyed"...so where did the energy come from?


Actually, it's MATTER that cannot be created nor destroyed. Energy can be created. (Potential energy into Kinetic energy)

Actually, it's MATTER that cannot be created nor destroyed. Energy can be created. (Potential energy into Kinetic energy)Energy can't be created dude...newtons 1st law. lol
lol.

Well, first of all I'd like to say that I have not the least idea of how we came in, all I have is random guesses. There might be a completely scientific explanation, but I like to think maybe there's another dimension/another life, and maybe when we enter it everything will become clear.

Nothing is just a concept. It isn't a higher force of nature. It is NOTHING. It has no force. In fact, it cant have anything. It is nothing. I don't think I can enforce that to you enough...haha. Nothing can only make nothing. It isn't something, it is nothing. Get it? You're just messing with words there. :)

So were our answers helpful in any way? Or are you just going to ignore them like all the other dumb creationists?

I don't know why you think 'God' helps the equation. He's just as complex as any Universe that could have been conjured up and just because some men in robe assert he was always there...that does not mean we're just going to accept it.

Tell me, how did God come from nothing if nothing can only make nothing? If God was always there, why couldn't we say that about everything else?

By the way, I saw what you posted on z28's profile, this:

http://derekstwistedmind.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/atheism.png?w=452&h=452

Yet, this apparently makes more sense:

http://www.demotivatorblog.com/wp-content/plugins/yapb/cache/mhyn8km5i2zb.zzgj79pkdisn40owwkkccw4g.735azln2jg9k is0oo8sw8ww8.th.jpeg

http://bligbi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/motivational-atheists-thumb.jpg

Its all in your head.

so from reading both of the pictures in razz's last post, I've come to the conclusion that both christianity AND atheism are dumb, and you could do the same thing for any other belief system. So in conclusion...everybody is dumb, and we should just accept that and stop kidding ourselves :D

So were our answers helpful in any way? Or are you just going to ignore them like all the other dumb creationists?

I don't know why you think 'God' helps the equation. He's just as complex as any Universe that could have been conjured up and just because some men in robe assert he was always there...that does not mean we're just going to accept it.

Tell me, how did God come from nothing if nothing can only make nothing? If God was always there, why couldn't we say that about everything else?

Dumb? That's just plain rude, that's not even a debate. But yes, all I needed in this thread was an athiest's opinion/hypothesis/theory on how everything got here.

And, God is ETERNAL. He didn't come from anywhere. Not even nothing. He has always existed and always will exist. Get it?

And we can't say that everything was always there because it isn't eternal like God. I honestly think somebody like you should know that.

"Either everything came from nothing (which is impossible), or something always existed and created everything that is created." - [you probally know who that is from]

And we can't say that everything was always there because it isn't eternal like God. I honestly think somebody like you should know that.
And where is your proof of that?


"Either everything came from nothing (which is impossible), or something always existed and created everything that is created."
And that man is also in jail right now.

Dumb? That's just plain rude, that's not even a debate. But yes, all I needed in this thread was an athiest's opinion/hypothesis/theory on how everything got here.

And, God is ETERNAL. He didn't come from anywhere. Not even nothing. He has always existed and always will exist. Get it?

And we can't say that everything was always there because it isn't eternal like God. I honestly think somebody like you should know that.

"Either everything came from nothing (which is impossible), or something always existed and created everything that is created." - [you probally know who that is from]

I'd like to pose a question to you. Now, Theists constantly seem to think that atheists share a common belief, no, we don't. If you want to use that pic/phrase razz posted up there, the correct title would be "Science" not atheism. Furthermore, the "magically" part just displays a lack of understanding on the subject, whilst everything in the christianity one, is simply parody and exageration.

Now then, on to my question.

If God exists outside of time and space, and that is why he is omnipotent, wherein does he exist? If there is no place in which he exists (I think you guys call it heaven though, so pick your answer carefully), then he simply does not exist, for how can something exist in a place that does not exist?

Now then, your obvious answer, is that he exists, and thus, exists in a place which exists, which you call heaven. Well, thinking about that, who created god? He exists in a set place, which must have existed at least coincidingly with him, therefore, is it not reasonable and logical to assume that, assuming god exists, that something exists in a plain unfathomable to man even moreso than a place outside of time and space, in which another even more omnipotent being exists, in a similar space which must at least have coincidingly existed, and created god and his place of existance.

You can just go in a loop with that all you want, I hope it helps you understand that even if you're saying your god is so special because he exists outside of time and space, and that the argument of "Something always existed and created everything" really just means that you have to follow the loop to infinite, because god certainly isn't the highest "life" form (seeing as I suppose he doesn't really live).

And we can't say that everything was always there because it isn't eternal like God. I honestly think somebody like you should know that.

Wait, why isn't it the same?

"Either everything came from nothing (which is impossible), or something always existed and created everything that is created." - [you probally know who that is from]

Yes, I do know where that argument came from, it first came from Kent Hovind and was stolen and popularized by the pathetic VenomFangX on YouTube...the same guy who said "Satan created evolution"

By there is something extraordinarily wrong with your statement, you said

- Either everything came from nothing OR
- Something always existed AND CREATED EVERYTHING

What sort of logic do you assume that this 'something that always existed' was the thing to create everything?

Which science does this fall under?

Guys you are arguing with a 14 year old from the UNITED STATES OF JESUS. He's in the dark w/o a flashlight.

But in all seriousness of the subject. The "something" before the universe doesn't have to be nothing or a God. It can be something we have not discovered yet.

If your mind is limited to "scientists doesn't know and god is eternal so HA" then you really need help.

The more sane way to look at things. ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE STUFF OUT LOL
http://www.universetoday.com/2006/05/17/before-the-big-bang/
http://www.physorg.com/news126955971.html

Nothing is just a concept. It isn't a higher force of nature. It is NOTHING. It has no force. In fact, it cant have anything. It is nothing. I don't think I can enforce that to you enough...haha. Nothing can only make nothing. It isn't something, it is nothing. Get it? You're just messing with words there. :)

really?? tell me how it looks then :tongue:

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

Hahaha, Hitchhiker's for the win! :icon_peac

did anyone stop to think that maybe God isn't a person? maybe God is just a force, something we haven't discovered yet. Know what i mean? There could be a creator of all matter and time, but it might not be the inteligent God we always hear about..it could be some force that is impossible for us to comprehend. So in short, there could be a creater, but it might not be inteligent

did anyone stop to think that maybe God isn't a person? maybe God is just a force, something we haven't discovered yet. Know what i mean? There could be a creator of all matter and time, but it might not be the inteligent God we always hear about..it could be some force that is impossible for us to comprehend. So in short, there could be a creater, but it might not be inteligent

if it's not intelligent it doesn't count as a creator in that sense. And you wouldn't call the force God and you wouldn't worship it.

What we gonna worship the sun now? Oh shi- we already do... But we call it God.

There is absolutely positively NO reason to need a 'creator' to explain how the Universe came to be.

I think I'm going to be addressing this in a new thread in a few short days.

Stay tuned.

;)

did anyone stop to think that maybe God isn't a person? maybe God is just a force, something we haven't discovered yet. Know what i mean? There could be a creator of all matter and time, but it might not be the inteligent God we always hear about..it could be some force that is impossible for us to comprehend. So in short, there could be a creater, but it might not be inteligent

Sure, you could do that...but what do we commonly refer to as God nowadays? Usually an intelligent force that listens while people murmur all their prayers.

And an unintelligent God could be something like, say, the Universe...

One more thing, like I said before, a creator explains nothing...that's the problem, it only brings up more questions as to: who created the creator? This is why I said that the complexity of the world isn't nearly as complex as the God people claim to worship, for something 1000x as complex as God must've needed a creator as well, unless you believe " 'it' just happened "

you assume all athiests have the same beleif. not so

there is a quote: "atheism is to religion what not playing golf is to sport" that pretty much sums it up

but i read quite an interesting theory which states that it was created the collision of two dimensions or parallel universes, which explained pretty much all the "symptoms" if you will, of the universe.

i will post if i can find it

time didnt "begin". its not a line. its an endless loop that has neither a start nor end.

haha, westerners always have major trouble with this concept.

time didnt "begin". its not a line. its an endless loop that has neither a start nor end.

haha, westerners always have major trouble with this concept.

Haha! Nice name. I enjoyed your movie. :biggrin:

I know eh? Time is something totally made up and we put far to much emphasise on it.

Creation and evolution and the big bang are all just theories. But if you look at them closely, you will see that some things are explained much better in the evolution theory opposed to creation. Truth is simply something that makes most sense of everything.

The earth being flat was considered a truth a while back ago, other theories simply didn't make any sense. Now that technology has developed and people have gotten a brain capable of rational thinking, there is no reason to believe (some of) what the bible says.

Seriously, no one lived for 800 hundred years, no one lived in a fishes belly for 3 days, and no one definately didn't make a wooden boat to survive a flood and have EVERY animal in the world, both male and female to reproduce after the flood. If you think about it, Adam and Eve have inbred all of humans till this day, and also all of the animals in the world are inbred, all because of that dude Noah.

Just read a little bit of the old testament and you'll see some weird ass sh**
Is it just me who thinks that this book can't be taken that seriously?

Creation and evolution and the big bang are all just theories. But if you look at them closely, you will see that some things are explained much better in the evolution theory opposed to creation. Truth is simply something that makes most sense of everything.

The earth being flat was considered a truth a while back ago, other theories simply didn't make any sense. Now that technology has developed and people have gotten a brain capable of rational thinking, there is no reason to believe (some of) what the bible says.

Seriously, no one lived for 800 hundred years, no one lived in a fishes belly for 3 days, and no one definately didn't make a wooden boat to survive a flood and have EVERY animal in the world, both male and female to reproduce after the flood. If you think about it, Adam and Eve have inbred all of humans till this day, and also all of the animals in the world are inbred, all because of that dude Noah.

Just read a little bit of the old testament and you'll see some weird ass sh**
Is it just me who thinks that this book can't be taken that seriously?

in all fairness, the original bible probably didnt actually say all that crazy **** like the king james english version we know today.

for example, the original hebrew (was it...?) version of genesis didnt actually contain the word "day", in their language. the "day" they used actually just meant 'designated amount of time' so this 'day' could be anything from a few hours to a billion years.

keeping this in mind, genesis actually accounts for evolution surprisingly accurate. moses (cant remember, but pretty sure he was the author of genesis. dont quote me on that though.) got everything in the right order, according to the theory of evolution. who knows, he mightve even been of the darwinian school of thought.

just goes to show, thousands of years of chinese whispers obscures the original message in strange and unpredictable ways. personally, too much gets lost in translation for me to base my understanding of the universe and reality off something like this.

still very interesting though.

Creation and evolution and the big bang are all just theories.

I agree with almost everything you said, except that quote. Evolution is a theory, creationism is a blind assumption. One is based on the scientific analysis, the other is based on a book. In other words, they're both not theories.

Theories, in science, are taken very seriously.