http://business.transworld.net/2009/05/18/zumiez-makes-72-million-bid-for-active/

On April 15, The Active Wallace Group (dba Active Rideshop) made a motion for an order of approval of the sale of substantially all its assets to Active Acquisition, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Zumiez, Inc.

The terms of the motion state that Zumiez would purchase all of Active’s inventory for less than market costs, as well as pay $100,000 per store acquired. At the time of filing Chapter 11, Active operated 21 stores.

Zumiez, Inc. (ZUMZ) owns 350 stores in 31 states. The company’s sales and net income for fiscal year ending 2009 were $408.7 million and $17.2 million respectively. According to the court documents, as of January Zumiez had more than $33 million in cash.

The terms of the proposed sale are as follows:

Based on the offer made by Zumiez, Active proposes to sell its assets for a total consideration of up to as much as $7.2 million cash, depending upon the outcome of Zumiez valuation of inventory and determination of number of stores to acquire. The total consideration offered to be paid by Zumiez in this case is based on the following formula:

1.) Inventory valued at the lower of cost or market, as determined by an appraiser hired by Zumiez;

2.) $100,000 per store to be purchased by Zumiez; and

3.) Assumption of gift card certificates up to $1.3 million, with total consideration to be adjusted if gift card liability is in excess of $1.3 million.

According to Active’s books, the cost of all its inventory was approximately $5.2 million as of March 30, 2009. Because the inventory is dates, Active believes the inventory to be worth significantly less than cost. Active expects to determine the market value of its inventory by June 10, 2009.

Zumiez has expressed interest in 20 of the 21 stores, and the final bid will be filed on June 22, 2009.

Another stipulation of the deal is that Zumiez has requested to be paid a break-up fee of $250,000. This fee covers the costs associated with moving on a deal of this size in such a short amount of time.

I cant stand zumiez! They over price everything and they try to sell all the crappy stuff that breaks fast...ughhh

Why am I not surprised Active is going down? The store in Burbank is stocked with more inventory that will never sell than any store I've ever been in. Almost all the clothing is horribly overpriced, including designer shirts and jeans priced upwards of a hundred dollars. To top it off, they never seemed to have the stuff that I might actually buy in stock. Poorly and stupidly run operation. This ain't Melrose or Beverly Hills, dummies.

The only thing I think is regrettable is many of the best skaters from the area are sponsored by Active. I hope Zumiez picks them up or they find sponsorship elsewhere.

not to mention they are a prime example of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

Zumiez, Inc. (ZUMZ) owns 350 stores in 31 states. The company’s sales and net income for fiscal year ending 2009 were $408.7 million and $17.2 million respectively. According to the court documents, as of January Zumiez had more than $33 million in cash.

so THATS where all of skateboardings money went to
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The only thing I think is regrettable is many of the best skaters from the area are sponsored by Active. I hope Zumiez picks them up or they find sponsorship elsewhere.

they dont care enough to sponsor people

i hate zummies, the drove all of the skate shops in my area out of business.

Zumiez is a dump and their product is crap. I make the drive to Val Surf.

West 49 sucks just as much as Zumiez from the sounds of it. They're just another lame ass chain store.

I work at a zumiez and I can honestly say we only hire people who know what they're talking about. yes some of the things we sell may be over-priced, but around here at a "local" shop you would pay about $45 for a mini-logo deck, and at Zumiez you only pay $30. so at least in my area we have all the good deals.

I cant stand zumiez! They over price everything and they try to sell all the crappy stuff that breaks fast...ughhh

um.. my zumiez is actually CHEAPEr and sells stuff that doesn't break. Lmfao.

um.. my zumiez is actually CHEAPEr and sells stuff that doesn't break. Lmfao.

Which one do you go to?
I work at the one in Garden State mall.

I hope zumies buys up every single skate store in the world and no one else can make decks. That way you would have to buy from zumies and I would stop hearing all this don't do it ****. Gets pretty annoying.

I hope zumies buys up every single skate store in the world and no one else can make decks. That way you would have to buy from zumies and I would stop hearing all this don't do it ****. Gets pretty annoying.

its gunna be awesome when all the skate shops go out of biz

ps
just quit already

I hope zumies buys up every single skate store in the world and no one else can make decks. That way you would have to buy from zumies and I would stop hearing all this don't do it ****. Gets pretty annoying.

your a ****ing idiot. you go ahead and hope that... and ill hope that you get kidnapped into human trafficking. If your not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. you, are part of the problem. you do realize that if zumiez wasnt around. then local shops would be able to sell things for cheaper. PLUS, theyd have more money to sponsor kids, hold contests, and give things out for free. how often does zumiez give you things for free? because i pretty much give something out for free everyday. and people in the area can tell you that. You support the industry LEECH

^ i lol'd.

just quit hahaha

I hope zumies buys up every single skate store in the world and no one else can make decks. That way you would have to buy from zumies and I would stop hearing all this don't do it ****. Gets pretty annoying.

kiss my ass. zummies doesn't do anything to help skaters. because of them i have to buy boards online.

I work at a zumiez and I can honestly say we only hire people who know what they're talking about. yes some of the things we sell may be over-priced, but around here at a "local" shop you would pay about $45 for a mini-logo deck, and at Zumiez you only pay $30. so at least in my area we have all the good deals.

i work at zumiez too and we hire plenty of people who know nothing about anything. i get a discount on everything and i still go somewhere else to buy stuff

I work at a zumiez and I can honestly say we only hire people who know what they're talking about. yes some of the things we sell may be over-priced, but around here at a "local" shop you would pay about $45 for a mini-logo deck, and at Zumiez you only pay $30. so at least in my area we have all the good deals.

LIES. Nobody at any of the three Zumiez at the malls near me know anything about skateboarding. Maybe one guy, if that. All the people who work there are scene girls with tattoos and liprings wearing Vaider and **** like that. Now I'm gonna have to get my stuff from some other shop online which is gay. Can't be giving it to Zumiez/

hey almost, i know a site :) and youve got your own discount for being a cafe member

hey almost, i know a site :) and youve got your own discount for being a cafe member

Oh hey y'know come to think of it, your right about that. Just gotta get me some shoes. But no Lakai on that site :(
hmm maybe an alternative.

You guys need to grow the hell up. Stop *****ing about zumiez taking over skateshops. I don't give a **** if my shop goes out of buissness, the guys are chill yeah, but there stuff is so expensive, so I just go to my mall which has Zumiez(CHEAP + Quality) and my indoor skatepark skateshop. Everyone person at my zumiez knows skating, and they skate. Even the girls shred that work there. Whitelighting, they arne't making you buy boards online. Man up, go to the store, and get some ****, stop *****ing. It's seriously annoying, I do agree with what mystery said. Personally I'll shop at zumiez rather than my local shop any day. Fake -reps plox..

Zumiez>Don't Do It "army"

i feel i make a "zumiez" post every week.

lemme see if i can find my old post so i don't gotta re type :)


here we go:

coming from a person who works at Zumiez,

(yes i work there)


i see lots of new skaters. some especially that are ultra conceited and think they are better than they are. does that piss me off? not necessarily.

we all started somewhere. zumiez is like the equalivant to walmart (in a way) because that's where most start off at. except zumiez is more widely known as a "skate shop"

me personally, i support my local. i buy all my SKATING products there. (i.e. decks, shoes, wheels, trucks, etc) But every now and then, a cool shirt comes up in Zumiez and i end up buying that too (w/ my discount :))

so, i understand where "experienced" skaters come from when they want people to support local shops. but honestly, its counter productive by telling people to "NOT SHOP AT ZUMIEZ." you hate on zumiez so much that you're pretty much promoting it more than your local.




and whoever said "we only hire people that know their ****" or w/e. dude, that's COMPLETE bull****.

we hire people who can sell stuff. period.

its more of a clothes store, than a skate store anyways.

mannnn we aint even got a local shop within twenty miles. closest ones about four towns over. zumiez has implemented its giant industrial hand in our part of the state

You guys need to grow the hell up. Stop *****ing about zumiez taking over skateshops. I don't give a **** if my shop goes out of buissness, the guys are chill yeah, but there stuff is so expensive, so I just go to my mall which has Zumiez(CHEAP + Quality) and my indoor skatepark skateshop. Everyone person at my zumiez knows skating, and they skate. Even the girls shred that work there. Whitelighting, they arne't making you buy boards online. Man up, go to the store, and get some ****, stop *****ing. It's seriously annoying, I do agree with what mystery said. Personally I'll shop at zumiez rather than my local shop any day. Fake -reps plox..


15year olds who've been skating 3years totally know how industry works
keep that additude kiddo.

if you shop at zumiez, you support dictatorship, because thats what it is going to be if you keep helping zumiez grow. Mystery said he hopes zumiez buys every shop so the only place you can buy at is Zumiez, well when that happens, they own the whole market and can charge you anything they want. feel like paying 80 bucks a deck? it could happen.its a leech that you are allowing to continue feeding off its host without anything in return. just continue letting them suck you dry. because they will for as long as you let them

if you shop at zumiez, you support dictatorship, because thats what it is going to be if you keep helping zumiez grow. Mystery said he hopes zumiez buys every shop so the only place you can buy at is Zumiez, well when that happens, they own the whole market and can charge you anything they want. feel like paying 80 bucks a deck? it could happen.its a leech that you are allowing to continue feeding off its host without anything in return. just continue letting them suck you dry. because they will for as long as you let them

theres a reason monopoly's are illigal
:icon_hug:


but than again, a majority of people dont care about dictatorships, communism, or socialism
why do you think they elected obama =P

screw zumiez. i got to this shop in my local mall called boarders and they have cheaper decks and clothes but the funny thing is people still go to zumiez

^ your form texas so i will ignore your ignorance

yes i know, once it gets to the point they will have to split up the monopoly, like bill gates did. but still, why let it get to the point? if i had nothing left to live for, id go fight club on their asses

"Don't Do it Army": SC Branch (http://www.skaterscafe.com/group.php?groupid=38)
Skaters Against Zumiez is the group. Join and speak the truth

that was met for johnny16tx

yes i know, once it gets to the point they will have to split up the monopoly, like bill gates did. but still, why let it get to the point? if i had nothing left to live for, id go fight club on their asses

Imagine a skateboarding monopoly. That would be like, wtf.

theres a reason monopoly's are illigal
:icon_hug:


but than again, a majority of people dont care about dictatorships, communism, or socialism
why do you think they elected obama =P
I hope you're joking.

he's form texas Jake what do you expect

he's form texas Jake what do you expect

I live in Southern Louisiana.

sorry, i know how you feel, i got jump cause i had an obama campaign t shirt on.

sorry, i know how you feel, i got jump cause i had an obama campaign t shirt on.

I know a lot of white Obama supporters, black McCain supporters, and everything in between. There are still a lot of idiots but I live in a pretty good area I guess.

i practicably live in red neck county pa.

^ your form texas so i will ignore your ignorance

skating for almost 10years, riding for 2 different skateshops, speaking with various sales reps (including vox,soletech,dvs/lakai, and others), speaking with sponsored/formally sponsored, being sponsored, and knowing my ****, makes me ignorant?
your stepping to the wrong person kid.
You dont know ****, about ****.

Don't even try to call me out on how zumiez and mall stores are ****ing up the skateboard industry.
I've seen multiple shops fail because of corp shops.

i was talking about you calling obama a socialist

i was talking about you calling obama a socialist

I'm not saying obama IS a socialist
I'm saying the obama administration has many socialist idles
Theres a difference.

johnny is a 4 eyed skateboarding dork.


he knows his *****.

15year olds who've been skating 3years totally know how industry works
keep that additude kiddo.

Yeah I will. I don't have a lot of money, I can't afford to support one of my local shops because they are overpriced. I buy whatever is cheaper at one of the 2 shops or zumiez. I know I don't know how the skate undustry works, but I know that if I can't afford to buy **** from my local shop I'll get it at zumiez because it's cheaper for me.

and whoever said "we only hire people that know their ****" or w/e. dude, that's COMPLETE bull****.

we hire people who can sell stuff. period.

its more of a clothes store, than a skate store anyways.


dude what store do you work at? cause idk how they do it there, but over here at my store, our manager hires people that know what they're talking about when it comes to skating, and if they don't, we teach them (even the girls).

i'm the only person that skates at my zumiez and only one person snowboards

i kinda like it that way tho cuz i pretty much just chill in the back and grip decks

i'm the only person that skates at my zumiez and only one person snowboards

i kinda like it that way tho cuz i pretty much just chill in the back and grip decks

I do the same thing, just chill in the back and grip decks/build boards all day

johnny is a 4 eyed skateboarding dork.


he knows his *****.

exactly
thank you for agknowledging my handycap :D!

i hate zumiez

i hate zumiez

why?.

why?.
he has never been in there before :icon_pelv

AAAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAH. idk why this is funny, but the way you said it made me laugh soooo hard. and ya, i go to active like everyday, and their deals aren't too bad, zumies, however, sucks ****. nothing good ever sold there, nobody has any idea what they're talking about and i feel like im surrounded by morons. could be different from store to store, though
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i work at zumiez too and we hire plenty of people who know nothing about anything. i get a discount on everything and i still go somewhere else to buy stuff
AAAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAH. idk why this is funny, but the way you said it made me laugh soooo hard. and ya, i go to active like everyday, and their deals aren't too bad, zumies, however, sucks ****. nothing good ever sold there, nobody has any idea what they're talking about and i feel like im surrounded by morons. could be different from store to store, though. sorry the reply is doubled, i forgot to quote this guy.

You guys need to grow the hell up. Stop *****ing about zumiez taking over skateshops. I don't give a **** if my shop goes out of buissness, the guys are chill yeah, but there stuff is so expensive, so I just go to my mall which has Zumiez(CHEAP + Quality) and my indoor skatepark skateshop. Everyone person at my zumiez knows skating, and they skate. Even the girls shred that work there. Whitelighting, they arne't making you buy boards online. Man up, go to the store, and get some ****, stop *****ing. It's seriously annoying, I do agree with what mystery said. Personally I'll shop at zumiez rather than my local shop any day. Fake -reps plox..

:icon_drdo

Here in China we have equivalent problems, IconX, this chain shop, and 1 local skate shops. IconX = Zumiez.

Struggle's (one local skate shop) owner is my friend, i skate with him almost every week. He actually cares about my progress, gives me **** for free (e.g. shirt on my birthday, wax when i need it cause, quote "it's just small money, who cares" unquote.). IconX doesn't do **** for you. what's a few dollars to support a guy who actually skates and tries to support the skating business. Plus, they're friendly, the owner gives me HUGE discounts because we're close friends, and he just gets enough money from me to break even, saying I need the rest for drinks and meals and ****.


IconX sucks, employees can barely ollie.

zumiez and all those other big stores are BUSINESSES!

do you truly think that all employees skate? no.


a business sets out to make money, and at zumiez we are all in competition with everyone else to get the highest:

UPT - (units per transaction, basically how many items in one purchase)
DPT - (dollars per transaction, how much money in one purchase)
Productivity - (an average of how much money we make per hour per employee)


so the point is that employees are there to sell. we teach the employees how to put skateboards together (eventually) and teach them some terms and how things work. but that's only to help them make more sales.

now that i think about it and type it out, i really do hate zumiez. i can definitely see them killing the skateboard industry.

but at the same time, its a job. and i'm making more than minimum wage at it since my recent promotion to key holder.

:)

zumiez and all those other big stores are BUSINESSES!

do you truly think that all employees skate? no.


a business sets out to make money, and at zumiez we are all in competition with everyone else to get the highest:

UPT - (units per transaction, basically how many items in one purchase)
DPT - (dollars per transaction, how much money in one purchase)
Productivity - (an average of how much money we make per hour per employee)


so the point is that employees are there to sell. we teach the employees how to put skateboards together (eventually) and teach them some terms and how things work. but that's only to help them make more sales.

now that i think about it and type it out, i really do hate zumiez. i can definitely see them killing the skateboard industry.

but at the same time, its a job. and i'm making more than minimum wage at it since my recent promotion to key holder.

:)


lol I make more than minimum wage and I'm just a regular part-time employee. hopefully though I'll be a key-holder soon too.

The only thing I buy from Zumiez are shoes when they're on sale because I hate not supporting small companies. I order basically all my skate gear from small time companies where I usually know the owners and they give me discounts. There are no local shops anywhere NEAR my house. There was one for like, 6 months before I even skated within walking distance of my house but they had to close down because my town has the crappiest skate scene. I order most of my products online because of this. Half my shirts are just Hanes white tee's so I wouldnt really say I buy my shirts from one place.

Basically, I know first hand that Zumiez is responsible for having shops close down (theres a zumiez in the mall near-ish my house).

And this is just my store but all the people that work there are posers. I was helping my friend pick out a backpack for school there and this chick kept bugging us going "yeah, that ones totally rad dude... heh"

a business sets out to make money, and at zumiez we are all in competition with everyone else to get the highest:

UPT - (units per transaction, basically how many items in one purchase)
DPT - (dollars per transaction, how much money in one purchase)
Productivity - (an average of how much money we make per hour per employee)


Bolded #1: Renegade( my shop), xombie(20 minutes away), Calsurf(40 minutes away) Midwest ( a little under 2 hours away) we are all NOT in competition with each other. we help each other out. we support each others events because each scene is different.

Mankato skatepark is 30 minutes away, a friend of mine manages that and one of our riders lives there and skates it everyday. there is no competition.

it is the same with every shop in MN( with the exception of Turd Gayer). You have admitted right there that Zumiez aim is to single handedly control the market and gorge on kids and their ignorant parents. its up to us and the kids to make sure their greedy hands dont get their fix.

Bolded #2s: what? yea i understand its the economics of it all. but when i look over my day... those are not the thoughts running through my head. i think if i were told to think like that i couldnt do it. i cant sell someone something that they dont need. Thats the reason all you guys are broke all the time. you convinced to buy ***** that you dont need. stencil grip! name brand wax! a rob and big tee! fake Bam heartagram tattoos.

ill never give up this fight against it, its in my nature to save what i love.

I always love when 2 or more of our local shops help host events downtown with many ramps, live music, and free food.

its so much better then events zumiez hosts at their mall store!

hey everyone, lets wait in a line for 2hours to get ryan shecklers autograph

orrrrrrrrrrrrrr

hey everybody lets go downtown to the free contest, have fun skating with friends!

your a ****ing idiot. you go ahead and hope that... and ill hope that you get kidnapped into human trafficking. If your not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. you, are part of the problem. you do realize that if zumiez wasnt around. then local shops would be able to sell things for cheaper. PLUS, theyd have more money to sponsor kids, hold contests, and give things out for free. how often does zumiez give you things for free? because i pretty much give something out for free everyday. and people in the area can tell you that. You support the industry LEECH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And for the record. I have never shopped at a zumies before. Actually I have never even seen a zumies before. In fact, I never even heard of zumies until I came to this sight. My ****ty "local" park is 45 min. away. Gas is 2.39 here and climbing. **** that. I have bought all my stuff from CCS (except for a pack of bearing from my "local" shop) because it's cheap and gets to my door within 3-5 days.

You guys need to grow the hell up. Stop *****ing about zumiez taking over skateshops. I don't give a **** if my shop goes out of buissness, the guys are chill yeah, but there stuff is so expensive, so I just go to my mall which has Zumiez(CHEAP + Quality) and my indoor skatepark skateshop. Everyone person at my zumiez knows skating, and they skate. Even the girls shred that work there. Whitelighting, they arne't making you buy boards online. Man up, go to the store, and get some ****, stop *****ing. It's seriously annoying, I do agree with what mystery said. Personally I'll shop at zumiez rather than my local shop any day. Fake -reps plox..

Exactly.

When it comes to thing's like skating and other things that don't involve family and good friends.... I look out for #1(me :)). And in that sense I buy what I can afford. 90% of my paycheck goes to getting my truck fixed up.(woohoo 1 more month till the lift kit) 8% goes to gas $. And the other 2% goes to food. Basically that's how it goes. Now when I need the money for something I will take it out but only if the price and quality is there. CCS has cheap stuff that is the same if not better quality.

this thread is so embarrassing

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And for the record. I have never shopped at a zumies before. Actually I have never even seen a zumies before. In fact, I never even heard of zumies until I came to this sight. My ****ty "local" park is 45 min. away. Gas is 2.39 here and climbing. **** that. I have bought all my stuff from CCS (except for a pack of bearing from my "local" shop) because it's cheap and gets to my door within 3-5 days.



Exactly.

When it comes to thing's like skating and other things that don't involve family and good friends.... I look out for #1(me :)). And in that sense I buy what I can afford. 90% of my paycheck goes to getting my truck fixed up.(woohoo 1 more month till the lift kit) 8% goes to gas $. And the other 2% goes to food. Basically that's how it goes. Now when I need the money for something I will take it out but only if the price and quality is there. CCS has cheap stuff that is the same if not better quality.

Yeah, I'm not saying that locals are ****. I shop at my local all the time and zumiez. Whereever has better deals because I don't have a lot of money to spend, I'm getting a job and I still won't because I need to help my family out, save up for a car, and other ****. I can't be spending $60-70 on a board when I can get boards at zumiez for 35-50. I'm doing it for myself. I do shop at my local, but then my other local isn't doing so well because they sell their stuff so high priced which is stupid. I did just buy a hat from there for $35 because I felt bad =/. But still the point is I'm not saying zumiez is the best, everyone buy **** from it, at my zumiez I know the people, get some discounts, they have everything i need right there. By saying Zumiez Sucks **** isn't going to help the industry at all.

this thread is so embarrassing

seconded, im ashamed of you people

you guys are pathetic, especially those saying you wouldn't give a **** if your local shops went out of business. local shops are made FOR SKATEBOARDING. skaters made the shop to give SKATERS somewhere to hang out, and to buy things from SKATERS who know what they're talking about.

ever notice how everytime you're in a zumies they will try and "upsize" you, kind of like a mcdonalds would do? ("would you like fries with that"). they will always "suggest" you buy a complete for however much more

skate shops don't try to use marketing tactics against you like West 49 or zumies does to encourage you to buy more and more goods per transaction such as with their buy a pro complete and get a second deck for $10. Really..who needs a whole complete plus another board..honeslty how often do you go out and buy all of that.or even spend $200 on skateboarding hardgoods? Most of the time you either need just new wheels or just new hardware, or just new bearings. or just a fresh deck.

like it's been said in this thread, if zumies ran all skateshops out of business by being able to afford to sell things for cheap, who's to say they would have to keep the prices cheap with no competition?

seconded, im ashamed of you people

I'm ashamed (not really, just thought I would be a hard ass like you guys) of you as well for being so closed minded.

Ok picture this. Say for instance the name of YOUR local shop was Deck. And Deck started from just a small shop and is locally owned. They started off bad but through people like you and Johnny they managed to turn it around and started to do more bussiness. Well they are human so they are going to want to expand to keep up with the rise in customers. So maybe they expand the shop at first or maybe start a small online store so they can reach out to people that can't drive to the shop. So now they get more bussiness. They decide to expand a little more and get some people together to start up another shop in another location. Everything is going so good that they can afford to lower prices. Everywhere people are starting to hear about the upcoming skate shop Deck. They get in magazines start major contests sponsor some pro's... life is good. Next thing you know they are running down local shops because Deck is where it's at. And then you get new people like you and Johnny that start *****ing and start chanting Don't Do it Don't Do It all over the place and YEAH guys lets support our local shops. They need us. Then that happens and that local shop does the same thing.

Basically the point it... You can replace the name of that shop "Deck" and put in the name CCS or Zumies and I guarentee it would match almost perfectly. Face it, everyone starts from scratch. Zumies or CCS didn't just start randomly one day and with in hours every skater in every state new about them pro's where sponsored by them etc... They started from scratch just like all companys do. They just got lucky and made the most of their bussiness. Now many of these shops wont get lucky and bearly make it by or even worse have to shut down. But obviously you can tell some do get lucky since you see the major/popular shops.

Specially with the way the economy is right now, everyone is looking out for themselves when they can and if that means a chance at a nice chunk of change then they will go for it.

Zumiez owns 350+ stores in 31 of the 50 states. thats overboard. PLUS online shops.

thats a bit different. as ive said in the past... if Zumiez was SKATER OWNED and was down with contributing back to the community like a skate shop, i dont think id have a problem with that. if they were truly about skating and sponsored kids, helds contests, opened parks, and did it the right way. i would work at a zumiez, because its a legit sohp that made it big. however, i dont care to just sit around while a old white man buys trophy wives with our money. If renegade blew up like you say your example did. i would imagine the way id handle it is by investing in a much much larger building to expand a bigger shop and a much larger skatepark along with cheaper prices into the park if not free depending on how business went. im wouldnt undercut brother shops in the area because thats not what bros do. if no other shops were around i could lower prices and make less per item but sell more. i know how it all works.

It needs to be done right, or not done at all.

I'm ashamed (not really, just thought I would be a hard ass like you guys) of you as well for being so closed minded.

Ok picture this. Say for instance the name of YOUR local shop was Deck. And Deck started from just a small shop and is locally owned. They started off bad but through people like you and Johnny they managed to turn it around and started to do more bussiness. Well they are human so they are going to want to expand to keep up with the rise in customers. So maybe they expand the shop at first or maybe start a small online store so they can reach out to people that can't drive to the shop. So now they get more bussiness. They decide to expand a little more and get some people together to start up another shop in another location. Everything is going so good that they can afford to lower prices. Everywhere people are starting to hear about the upcoming skate shop Deck. They get in magazines start major contests sponsor some pro's... life is good. Next thing you know they are running down local shops because Deck is where it's at. And then you get new people like you and Johnny that start *****ing and start chanting Don't Do it Don't Do It all over the place and YEAH guys lets support our local shops. They need us. Then that happens and that local shop does the same thing.

Basically the point it... You can replace the name of that shop "Deck" and put in the name CCS or Zumies and I guarentee it would match almost perfectly. Face it, everyone starts from scratch. Zumies or CCS didn't just start randomly one day and with in hours every skater in every state new about them pro's where sponsored by them etc... They started from scratch just like all companys do. They just got lucky and made the most of their bussiness. Now many of these shops wont get lucky and bearly make it by or even worse have to shut down. But obviously you can tell some do get lucky since you see the major/popular shops.

Specially with the way the economy is right now, everyone is looking out for themselves when they can and if that means a chance at a nice chunk of change then they will go for it.

I think that everybody would be fine with it all if "Deck" did that. It would still be skater owned. Still be for the skaters. Zumiez isn't skater owned. Zumiez could give two ****s about the skaters. All they care for is the money. Eventually "deck" would probably get bought out by a bigger company that doesn't care about skating and realizes the profit behind it, which will just end up putting us in the same position as the whole thing about Zumiez though.

I think that everybody would be fine with it all if "Deck" did that. It would still be skater owned. Still be for the skaters. Zumiez isn't skater owned. Zumiez could give two ****s about the skaters. All they care for is the money. Eventually "deck" would probably get bought out by a bigger company that doesn't care about skating and realizes the profit behind it, which will just end up putting us in the same position as the whole thing about Zumiez though.

The people at my Zumiez care about the skaters and they help them out. My zumiez is all skaters but maybe 1 or 2. And they shred..

The people at my Zumiez care about the skaters and they help them out. My zumiez is all skaters but maybe 1 or 2. And they shred..

Yeah but your Zumiez isn't every Zumiez. It seems like most of them out there don't hire people who care, every Zumiez I've ever been to has been all kids who dress in all supra and nike sb and other brands that kids wear to look in the skate scene. And along with that, in every store there is only one legit skater who works there. And thats the guy who sits behind the skate counter making kids decks. and half the time that guy just knows some stuff about skating.

And btw i meant Zumiez as the company in its entirety doesn't care.

Yeah but your Zumiez isn't every Zumiez. It seems like most of them out there don't hire people who care, every Zumiez I've ever been to has been all kids who dress in all supra and nike sb and other brands that kids wear to look in the skate scene. And along with that, in every store there is only one legit skater who works there. And thats the guy who sits behind the skate counter making kids decks. and half the time that guy just knows some stuff about skating.

And btw i meant Zumiez as the company in its entirety doesn't care.

Well you were kind of grouping all the Zumiez together. Not all of them are the same.

I was grouping Zumiez as a company. I wasn't grouping the people who work in Zumiez as not caring at all, i was saying the company doesn't care.

I work at a zumiez and I can honestly say we only hire people who know what they're talking about. yes some of the things we sell may be over-priced, but around here at a "local" shop you would pay about $45 for a mini-logo deck, and at Zumiez you only pay $30. so at least in my area we have all the good deals.

Yeah right, I went to a zumiez once and I was gonna buy a deck, (this was before I knew about Renegade), and I asked for an almost deck. The lady honestly didn't know what I was talking about even though they were right behind her. After she found the deck she asked me if I wanted tires with that. SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SKATESHOP.

you guys are pathetic, especially those saying you wouldn't give a **** if your local shops went out of business. local shops are made FOR SKATEBOARDING. skaters made the shop to give SKATERS somewhere to hang out, and to buy things from SKATERS who know what they're talking about.

ever notice how everytime you're in a zumies they will try and "upsize" you, kind of like a mcdonalds would do? ("would you like fries with that"). they will always "suggest" you buy a complete for however much more

skate shops don't try to use marketing tactics against you like West 49 or zumies does to encourage you to buy more and more goods per transaction such as with their buy a pro complete and get a second deck for $10. Really..who needs a whole complete plus another board..honeslty how often do you go out and buy all of that.or even spend $200 on skateboarding hardgoods? Most of the time you either need just new wheels or just new hardware, or just new bearings. or just a fresh deck.

like it's been said in this thread, if zumies ran all skateshops out of business by being able to afford to sell things for cheap, who's to say they would have to keep the prices cheap with no competition?

the closest local skate shop is about 35 mins away or zumiez which is 2 mins away. hmmm.. which one would i choose? im not saying that im not suporting local shops. but common. im gonna going to waste that much extra gas for a 5 dollar difference
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Yeah right, I went to a zumiez once and I was gonna buy a deck, (this was before I knew about Renegade), and I asked for an almost deck. The lady honestly didn't know what I was talking about even though they were right behind her. After she found the deck she asked me if I wanted tires with that. SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SKATESHOP.

yeah they are trying to help you out. you yourself had the power to say no?...right? or did zumiez also told you you cant since they are such a bad store?
i have gotton a mini logo for only 30 bucks with free grip tape all the time, so why are you claiming they dont? other places have other deals, if they dont then go elsewhere, they arent begging you for you buisness

dylan's local shop sounds kickass.

i wouldn't have a problem at all supporting a shop like that.


unfortunately, my local blows and doesn't do any of that stuff. other than give people attitude, like people buying from there is a chore for them...

Since there are so many Zumies employees reading this thread, I have 2 zumiez related questions that might be better asked here, as opposed to creating a new thead...

1, I'm not sure if it's just the 2 stores I was in but, why doesn't Zumiez have prices on each skateboard part like they do on shoes, shirts, jackets, etc...? Personally, I'd rather look at what they have, figure out what I want, and then ask the attendant so that I don't waste their time with stupid questions.

2, For someone who's just a beginner, wanting to get into skateboarding(albeit, a little late), in your honest opinion, is the $89.99 bundle worth the cash? According to the website, that bundle can include Destructo trucks which, from what I understand, are pretty popular and of high quality.



As for supporting local shops, the nearest one is currently being run by the father of the shop owner because, they aren't making enough money to hire someone to work there and the owner works at the other location. I feel bad and, I'd love to be able to help them out but, their cheapest bundle is $110 and I don't feel that it's wise to spend that much on something that I, as a noob, wont really be able to take full advantage of.

If I really do get fully in to skateboarding, will I go back to that local shop? Hell yeah! The guy seemed to know his stuff and they had a much nicer selection of pro-quality parts. For now, I just need something to get me rolling that isn't going to collapse under my weight or break the bank.

... and yes, my flamesuit is on...

Since there are so many Zumies employees reading this thread, I have 2 zumiez related questions that might be better asked here, as opposed to creating a new thead...

1, I'm not sure if it's just the 2 stores I was in but, why doesn't Zumiez have prices on each skateboard part like they do on shoes, shirts, jackets, etc...? Personally, I'd rather look at what they have, figure out what I want, and then ask the attendant so that I don't waste their time with stupid questions.

2, For someone who's just a beginner, wanting to get into skateboarding(albeit, a little late), in your honest opinion, is the $89.99 bundle worth the cash? According to the website, that bundle can include Destructo trucks which, from what I understand, are pretty popular and of high quality.



As for supporting local shops, the nearest one is currently being run by the father of the shop owner because, they aren't making enough money to hire someone to work there and the owner works at the other location. I feel bad and, I'd love to be able to help them out but, their cheapest bundle is $110 and I don't feel that it's wise to spend that much on something that I, as a noob, wont really be able to take full advantage of.

If I really do get fully in to skateboarding, will I go back to that local shop? Hell yeah! The guy seemed to know his stuff and they had a much nicer selection of pro-quality parts. For now, I just need something to get me rolling that isn't going to collapse under my weight or break the bank.

... and yes, my flamesuit is on...

1. we individually price everything because most people like putting different brands on their board. and when you want the better stuff, its going to cost you a lil' extra. Bone Reds are obviously going to be more money than Rush bearings. it's just how it works.

we do though usually carry a fully put together board with trucks, wheels, and everything, but that's for like an 11 year old. you'll see those hanging on the walls, usually a Hawk or Blind brand.

2. the bundle actually is a good deal, but it comes with the least expensive stuff we got. i would reccomend upgrading a few things like bearings and trucks when buying the bundle deal.

1. we individually price everything because most people like putting different brands on their board. and when you want the better stuff, its going to cost you a lil' extra. Bone Reds are obviously going to be more money than Rush bearings. it's just how it works.

I'm sorry... I wasn't clear on this question. I understand that each different item is individually priced. That's pretty much common sense. :)

My gripe is how my local Zumiez stores don't have price stickers on the trucks, bearings, wheels, and hardware behind the glass. I, as a customer, have to point and ask, "how much is that one? ... How about this one here?"
It seems like it would be an inconvenience for everyone involved.

isnt the zuumiez bundle a "mystery package"? you get whatever crappy product is laying around in back? because thats how it is in the zumiez in our area.Renegade: $75 birdhouse completes and $70 powell completes and then bullet and speed demons are cheaper yet. wouldnt recommend those last two though.

I <3 dlx
109 dollar completes
team real pricepoint deck, thunders, 52mm spitfires, abec 5 bearings

yea deluxe is pretty awesome

The Zumiez in my area comes across as a shop for junior high school girls. I would never even consider buying my skateboard gear there. Active at least seems remotely geared toward skateboarding, they have a shop area in back with flatscreens playing skate vids.

All the same, I'll be going to Val Surf from here on out. Even if it's a couple more bucks to buy gear, I'd rather support a place which sponsors skaters and has done so for decades.

A real skateshops merchandise doesn't consist of 40% bikinis
haahahah
****ing paul frank or whatever can suck it =P

mmm, it should be bikinis :) get some chicks hangin out in bikinis all day. thatd make my day go by pretty well!

^^^
ya sure? 14year old scenesters
and these girls who wondered their way in from hottopic
http://www.philosophyofimage.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/funny_fat_emo_girl.jpg

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss315/Lifeonsevenplies/renegadebikinitop.jpg?t=1242936731

Renegade Skateshop and Skatepark (http://www.renegadeboardshop.com)


:)

Beeeeeeeard you lucky man.

isnt the zuumiez bundle a "mystery package"? you get whatever crappy product is laying around in back? because thats how it is in the zumiez in our area.Renegade: $75 birdhouse completes and $70 powell completes and then bullet and speed demons are cheaper yet. wouldnt recommend those last two though.

Nah... the bundles, at least at my local zumiez, are...

89.95 (any 29.99 or less deck)
99.95 (any 34.99-39.99 deck)
115.95 (any 44.99-59.99 deck)
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All packages include:
any $25 set of wheels
any $18.50 pair of trucks
any $10 set of bearings
any $4.95 sheet of grip tape
any $2 set of hardware
---------

Just did the math...

you save $0.49 "or less" on the first bundle, $-4.51 - $0.49 on the second bundle and $-10.51 - $4.49.

Suddenly, I'm glad I took a picture of the bundle sign.

... eff Zumiez!

http://s5.tinypic.com/2edm8a8_th.jpg (http://i44.tinypic.com/2edm8a8.jpg)

**** Zummies Over priced

http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss315/Lifeonsevenplies/renegadebikinitop.jpg?t=1242936731

Renegade Skateshop and Skatepark (http://www.renegadeboardshop.com)


:)

so i heard theres a skaterscafe discount ?

^nice