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    At the risk of going political, TWS is gone, and apparently so is the Vans Warped Tour. Are there no more smartass teenage punks? Seems like we should be having riots in the streets over some of the shit going down in DC...has skatepunk culture really died this hard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockst*r View Post
    At the risk of going political, TWS is gone, and apparently so is the Vans Warped Tour. Are there no more smartass teenage punks? Seems like we should be having riots in the streets over some of the shit going down in DC...has skatepunk culture really died this hard?

    We've got some traction here with the anti racist, anti Nazi movement to tear down the confederate monuments. We took our kids to one of the rallies last spring. But ya, my teens would rather play video games and walk around the mall than protest the shit we can't stand. Anyway, I do have one friend in his mid 20s that goes to all the protests and is 100% down to punch confederate flag waving assholes in the face on sight..

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    Warped tour kinda got teenybopper lately with the inclusion of the whole "My Digital Escape" scene. The arrest of Austin Jones for distribution of child pornography kinda shot them in the foot.
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    I've been keeping a running tally over at Gnarwheels of skate and longboard brands that have folded over the past few years...it's fucking depressing. We need skateboarding now more than ever, and our society is falling away from skateboarding and stuff like it.

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    We're in the middle of a trough in skatings popularity. If you look back at the last 60 years of skating you will see a 10 year rise and fall in popularity with peaks in the 5 years ('65,'75,85 etc. Generally there is a 5 year rise and a 5 year fall. Now it's 2019 so it's near the bottom of trough and it's only going to go up over the next 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev J View Post
    We're in the middle of a trough in skatings popularity. If you look back at the last 60 years of skating you will see a 10 year rise and fall in popularity with peaks in the 5 years ('65,'75,85 etc. Generally there is a 5 year rise and a 5 year fall. Now it's 2019 so it's near the bottom of trough and it's only going to go up over the next 5 years.
    That's what was so weird about the last boom: The fact that it lasted so long. If you take the 5 year cycle to begin in 1995, it should've peaked by 2000, but aided by things like the Tony Hawk games and the X-Games on TV, the rise was just beginning. By 2005, longboarding had joined the mix. By 2010, even though traditional street skating had begun to taper off, longboarding was still rising meteorically. It wasn't really until 2014 or 2015 that the market really dropped out, and we're still in freefall with media sources like TWS restructuring greatly, once-staple brands restructuring and readapting, shops and forums closing, etc.

    I mean, I'm a few weeks away from my skate season opening, so I'm doing a little bit of inventory to see what I have and what I need, selling some boards here or there, but it's become difficult to find some specific sets of wheels I'm looking for...and what's worse, some of my favorite websites have gone dark or un-updated for a few years now.

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    But we're also in the middle of a HUGE peak in the popularity of poser gear. I've never seen so many Thrasher shirts and Van's shoes being worn. One would think that some of these folks would at least TRY skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSwitch View Post
    But we're also in the middle of a HUGE peak in the popularity of poser gear. I've never seen so many Thrasher shirts and Van's shoes being worn. One would think that some of these folks would at least TRY skating.
    I completely agree! The same also applies to music: the branding machine that sells shirts to Spencer Gifts or Hot Topic are marketing iconic designs from The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, and Nirvana to teens who've never listened to those brands of rock music.

    For being a generation that values authenticity to the degree that Mad Men style advertising has stopped working, you'd think that younger folks would be more appreciable of the stuff they're wearing and how they're presenting themselves. I can only speak for myself, but when I was in junior high between 2000 and 2002, being a poseur was the worst! If you wore an Independent or Element shirt, you were expected to be able to speak knowledgeably about skateboarding; you didn't wear school team shirts outside of the given season (football players didn't wear team gear in the winter and spring, for example), so my perspective is that this should've carried on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev J View Post
    Warped tour kinda got teenybopper lately with the inclusion of the whole "My Digital Escape" scene. The arrest of Austin Jones for distribution of child pornography kinda shot them in the foot.
    Warped tour was super teenyboppery at the end. I know a few of those MDE kids. Bryan O'Dell aka Bryanstars can go fuck himself.

    Hard to believe it's been 5 years since my last go 'round the country on warped tour. Can't believe I did the tour twice, either.

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    Yeah, I watched a few videos about the whole MDE behind the scenes drama. Not so much because I'm a fan of any of that shit but because I have an interest in the business side of music. It's kinda like "Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss."

    It's the same old story about "Let's start an entertainment company," then one guy becomes de facto leader egos get involved, the moneymaker acts get promoted the heaviest, the guy at the top takes more than he should, pretty basic shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockst*r View Post
    I completely agree! The same also applies to music: the branding machine that sells shirts to Spencer Gifts or Hot Topic are marketing iconic designs from The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, and Nirvana to teens who've never listened to those brands of rock music.

    For being a generation that values authenticity to the degree that Mad Men style advertising has stopped working, you'd think that younger folks would be more appreciable of the stuff they're wearing and how they're presenting themselves. I can only speak for myself, but when I was in junior high between 2000 and 2002, being a poseur was the worst! If you wore an Independent or Element shirt, you were expected to be able to speak knowledgeably about skateboarding; you didn't wear school team shirts outside of the given season (football players didn't wear team gear in the winter and spring, for example), so my perspective is that this should've carried on...
    When I was in High School one kid on the soccer team (we didn't have a football team) was into the Greatful Dead. So in solidarity the whole soccer team wore Greatful Dead t-shirts without ever listening to the Dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev J View Post
    Yeah, I watched a few videos about the whole MDE behind the scenes drama. Not so much because I'm a fan of any of that shit but because I have an interest in the business side of music. It's kinda like "Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss."

    It's the same old story about "Let's start an entertainment company," then one guy becomes de facto leader egos get involved, the moneymaker acts get promoted the heaviest, the guy at the top takes more than he should, pretty basic shit.
    I know Bryan personally. We toured together 3 times. I called him a friend at one point. He's extremely manipulative and used a lot of people. Used a lot of other people's success to weasel his way up to a bigger paycheck without remorse of repercussions on others.

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    Standard music industry bullshit. Granted It's not just the music business. I watched a youtube video on Psychopaths that pointed out how many successful business people are psychopaths.

    That's part of the reason that I want to go back to school for Music Business. Find out how to run a career in a manner consistent with my values and ethics.
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    If it helps, i don't know anyone in the industry who has a music business degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty's_Kid View Post
    If it helps, i don't know anyone in the industry who has a music business degree.
    Rockst*r just earned his 4th sun so there's that ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSwitch View Post
    Rockst*r just earned his 4th sun so there's that ;-)
    Excellent!

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    FWIW, one small data point, but downtown Durham is usually pretty active. On any given day I will see between 5 and 20 skaters, most all around downtown, and NOT including the skatepark. It's alive and well here. But, only downtown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoSwitch View Post
    FWIW, one small data point, but downtown Durham is usually pretty active. On any given day I will see between 5 and 20 skaters, most all around downtown, and NOT including the skatepark. It's alive and well here. But, only downtown.
    There's a small but vibrant scene in the neighborhood around one specific skatepark here, enough to keep the local shop afloat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty's_Kid View Post
    If it helps, i don't know anyone in the industry who has a music business degree.
    For me it's kind of a networking opportunity. My local college of extended learning has a Music Recording Industry program.

    Right now I'm in the process of teaching myself Ableton and Jazz Composition. I still want to learn about copyrighting, marketing, promotion and how to start my own label.
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    The year that I skated and judge Warped Tour, was probably the last good year of it. Once none of the bands actually made sense and less people went for the skateboarding and more for the K2 Spice drugs, I figured I was out of the loop.
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    what point? that my man pathtek can post pictures? yea i figured he could do that.

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